The Instigator
James.ticknor
Pro (for)
Losing
11 Points
The Contender
Sky_ace25
Con (against)
Winning
37 Points

Obama is not a loser.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/31/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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James.ticknor

Pro

Obama is not a loser. He actually won his presidential camapagin. This is a broadened title, stateing that his entire life has resulted in him being a loser. But what is a "loser" exactly? Quite obviously, someone who does not win.

In this singular instance of winning he presidential race, which is a great achievement, Obama overall, is not a loser. If he was a complete loser, he would not have won. Therefore he is not a complete loser. However, he can not be a partial loser either. It doesn't matter if he is a winner, but it only matters if he is a loser, which I have just proven he is not.
Sky_ace25

Con

Thanks for the topic.

My opponent states that Obama is not a loser, with the main justification being he won his presidential campaign.

First to clarify my side of the debate I will use the following definition of loser from the wordnet princeton.
failure: a person with a record of failing

Thus we see a loser can also be defined as somebody with a record of failing.

If anyone would like to follow the Rasmussen reports link underneath this statement, you would easily see his approval ratings have been going down faster and faster. Thus by utilizing my definition we can see a loser can also be someone with a record of failing. Obama's falling approval rating shows that he is a loser because he is also a failure in that his record of success is declining amongst the American people who voted for him in the first place.

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16 (see trends)."

Although my opponent claims that winning the presidency is a great achievement, a lot of people would argue against him saying President Bush was a loser. So to say that just winning the presidency means their not a loser is not necessarily true. To reference another president other than Bush, I would reference Nixon who would probably also be defined as a loser because of the Watergate Scandal.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com...

If you wish to talk over-all about his life, we are still not even 100% sure about his birth conditions as he has not released his actual birth certificate yet, so I can't really judge him for what happened then. Though that still probably means something suspicious is going on.

I will not go into any further details about his past life, because my opponents wording implies that "Obama's entire life has resulted in him being a loser". This means that all his past events have come together to make him today a loser or a non-loser. Thus we must judge him as he is today as president which my opponent references.

Again remember, his poll ratings have had a rate of decline and he is not doing good with Strongly Approving being less than Strongly Disapproving. Thus remember my definition that a loser can also be someone with a record of failure, and you can see that even if Obama was president this doesn't stop him from being a loser, because people would argue that America has had presidents with a record of failure who were losers. Thus the only way my opponent can use his presidency to prove Obama's a non-loser was if he had a positive success rate or if as of right now he had a great achievement. Obama has not had any great achievements yet, and the change he proposes is obviously one that Americans are not behind according to president approval ratings. Thus even if you disagree with the idea that Obama is a loser, based on this debate a Strong vote for the Con is to be advised and justified.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by Sky_ace25 7 years ago
Sky_ace25
As for Roy well you're 1/2 right, yes he has no skills and yes it's impressive that became president.

However, I stand behind my beliefs that just being a president doesn't guarantee one is not a loser. Their is such a thing as a loser president and I'm sure many people would argue that certain presidents in the past were losers.
Posted by Sky_ace25 7 years ago
Sky_ace25
EHS just read the case I make it very clear how I intended to use my definition.
Posted by EHS_Debate 7 years ago
EHS_Debate
I voted for Pro.

"First to clarify my side of the debate I will use the following definition of loser from the wordnet princeton.
failure: a person with a record of failing"

I don't see how Con can even use this.
Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
At the risk of taking this debate seriously, I'll go with Pro. Pro left an openning to contest the definition of "loser." Con could have jumped on that by going with the fairly common definition of a loser as someone who "characteristically disappoints" or something like that. It is a slam dunk that Obama has been a major disappointment. But Obama has an impressive track record of winning elections, and for a guy with few skills other than politics, that is not losing, it is winning big. Pro's argument stands.

BTW, the birth certificate thing is nonsense. Both Honolulu newspapers announced Obama's birth on the day it happened. It's a non-issue that shouldn't be mentioned.
Posted by CupcakeAlmighty 7 years ago
CupcakeAlmighty
I know. This is just my goof-off account. when school starts, I will, because at home I don't have regular access
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
James.ticknor, I suggest making your debates a 2 or 3 round. Its almost impossible to do a 1 round.
Posted by James.ticknor 7 years ago
James.ticknor
**pouts
Posted by Sky_ace25 7 years ago
Sky_ace25
Failure also can imply competition because you can fail at a competition. Further more generally speaking if a president is not being successful or supportive it can be said that he is losing, because he is not winning the success of the job.
Posted by Sky_ace25 7 years ago
Sky_ace25
As defined by Princeton word net, failure is the same as loser. Further more they are both applicable in this case.
Posted by James.ticknor 7 years ago
James.ticknor
No! Failure is not the same as a loser! Loser implies competition, whereas failure does not state either!
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