The Instigator
sexybeast21
Pro (for)
Losing
4 Points
The Contender
Phoenix_Reaper
Con (against)
Winning
64 Points

Obama is the first black president.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/11/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Voting Period
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sexybeast21

Pro

In this debate my opponent must prove that Obama isn't the first black president. If he cannot do so, then I win.
Phoenix_Reaper

Con

President Obama is not a "black man" as you so claim. He is in fact mulatto.

According to the Oxford dictionary a mulatto is a person of mixed white and black ancestry, especially a person with one white and one black parent. [1]

According to my definition is he can not be considered a black man because his parents are black and white.

Vote Con!

[1]http://oxforddictionaries.com...
Debate Round No. 1
sexybeast21

Pro

The definition of a black person is " a person with dark skin who comes from Africa (or whose ancestors came from Africa)." Obama both has dark skin and his ancestors came from Africa. Therefore, he is a black man.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
Phoenix_Reaper

Con

I will first attack your definition by stating that "black person" is not a type more of a slur. The correct term is African American which is exactly what the name suggests.

My opponent claims that his ancestors have arrived from Africa, I ask for proof. His skin color is also not "black" it is more related to a tan or light skin, which by your definition disqualifies him.

According to the Oxford Dictionary a "black person" does not exist.

Thanks to 500 limit I must end.
Debate Round No. 2
sexybeast21

Pro

My opponent asks for proof of whether or not Obama's ancestors came from Africa. However, my opponent provided my proof for me. He said that Obama's father was black, implying that his ancestors came from Africa, and since a father is technically an ancestor, then Obama's ancestors came from Africa.
My opponent also said that Obama's skin color isnt black, but tan. I agree with this. However, my definition refers to a person with dark skin. And my opponent admitted that he in fact has dark skin
Phoenix_Reaper

Con

"Obama's skin color isnt black, but tan."

Dark - not reflecting much light; approaching black in shade [1]

"I agree with this"

Tan - …a yellowish-brown color… [1]

Thus refuting his claim.

"implying that his ancestors came from Africa,"

Ah yes using my own definition on me, good move. Sadly thought it is just the politically correct term. Without any ancestry tree proof provided you may not make that claim. Assumptions are not answers.

Vote Con!

[1] Oxford Dictionary
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by askbob 3 years ago
askbob
It seems as though sexy's account was closed
Posted by abard124 3 years ago
abard124
I find it funny to see that con claims that "black" is a slur but is perfectly comfortable using the term "mulatto." Mulatto is now considered a rather offensive term, whereas most black people I have met refer to themselves as black, and not African-American. Yet another instance of society making decisions about a group while simultaneously silencing them...
Posted by Sky_ace25 3 years ago
Sky_ace25
"My opponent asks for proof of whether or not Obama's ancestors came from Africa. However, my opponent provided my proof for me."

I almost cried at the majesty and wonder of this amazing refutation.
Posted by FREEDO 3 years ago
FREEDO
This debate could have been done without semantics.
Posted by bigpoppajustice 3 years ago
bigpoppajustice
LOOOOOL great.
Posted by Phoenix_Reaper 3 years ago
Phoenix_Reaper
Refer to my definition of dark.
Posted by sexybeast21 3 years ago
sexybeast21
If you are tan then you have dark skin, supporting my definition.
Posted by Phoenix_Reaper 3 years ago
Phoenix_Reaper
"My opponent also said that Obama's skin color isnt black, but tan. I agree with this."

By definition no I validated my point. You called him black and while agreeing he is tan.
Posted by sexybeast21 3 years ago
sexybeast21
haha you said yourself in your second speech that his skin was tan, so you contradicted yourself.
Posted by Phoenix_Reaper 3 years ago
Phoenix_Reaper
"Next time don't just have a dictionary war, have a debate about something."

Sorry it is a habit. Picking apart a argument is what I like to do.

"Even with Con's argument being wrong, Barack Obama was not the first black president."

United States President yes. President in another country or means nope.
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Reasons for voting decision: Tan is not dark.
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Reasons for voting decision: Mulatto is an offensive term. Do not use it to describe someone. Half-black and Mixed race are acceptable alternatives. The 500 word limit severely hurt the possibility of real arguments, but Con used it better and had fewer run-on sentences.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro: Make sure you research your topic before you debate it. Its like warming up before playing a sport. Con: Good job with the definition argument.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con dismantled this simplistic argument hands down. Also, there are a lot of black people in the world who do not have African heritage.. most of the Caribbean Islands are inhabited with people much darker skinned than some African persons. (Jamaica particularly.) Also, in debate, Pro has the burden of proof unless there are extenuating circs. Pro tried to shift this Con and basically sit back for the easy win. Major foul.
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Reasons for voting decision: Nice job Con, I had assumed you were going to argue president of something else. Pro, you could have taken this with more effort.
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Reasons for voting decision: CON contradicts herself. PRO proves that Obama meets the criteria for a black person.
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Reasons for voting decision: This was a rather confusing debate, more of semantics really, but points go to con for more convincing arguments.
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Reasons for voting decision: LOL Con won because he provided reasoning and rebuttal everything.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con dominated Pro with evidence and argument. I also laughed a lot.