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mwen0313
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WilliamsP
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Obama is worse than Gorge W. Bush

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/23/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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mwen0313

Con

Hi,
I want to argue that Obama is worse than Gorge W. Bush and I will list the following reasons:
1. Obama ordered drone strike on unarmed civilians(American citizens) without a court order or any statement.
2. Obama expanded the patriot act which is to spy on anyone even though, the Iraq war is over.
3. In Obama's first term he has increase America's debt twice amount of the Bush Administration combined in 2 terms.
4. Obama takes way to many personal vacations and these money come from the government. (look at these expensive hotels.)
5. Obama-care, joke, is costing Americans their healthcare and premium.
6. Obama-care, proposed by Obama, is actually an extreme cooperate care.
7. Obama is trying to hurt the American constitution.
8. Obama is increasing tax on people.
9. Obama is trying to take firearms away. "To Conquer a Nation, First Disarm its Citizens" - Adolf Hitler. Well, Obama is trying to do the same because he is looking for a third term. Yes, according to the constitution presidents can look for a third term but, many president wants to follow the Gorge Washington path,
10. Obama is working with NSA to spy on people "too much". I mean certain amount of spying is necessary until, it get pass the line.
11. Obama is taking away benefits for veterans.
12. Obama is trying to take away social security for elderly people.
13. Obama doesn't require everyone on welfare to show proof that they have been trying to look for a job. (So we can stop having welfare abusing jerks)
14. Obama has a secret kill list. HE WILL KILL YOU WITHOUT A TRIAL!
15. Obama's administration welfare percentage increased.
16. Obama increase taxes on cooperation forcing them to go to other countries where taxes are lower.
17. Obama won the lie of the year award.
18. Obama claims he support illegal immigrants but, statically there are more deportation in the Obama Administration than the Bush Administration. (and no, I hate illegal immigrants)
19. Obama wants to "create" Jobs by debts. This means that he is "creating" jobs by increasing the debt.
20. Obama's principals is based on totalitarianism.

Got any counter argument? Go for it!
WilliamsP

Pro

Introduction
I gladly accept this debate. I look forward to debating the topic. I will begin by making rebuttals about each individual point. I believe that arguments are not really necessary for this particular debate. If I manage to refute all of my opponent's points, the resolution of the debate, that Obama is worse than George W. Bush, is untrue. In this debate, I will be taking the Pro side and I will argue that Obama is NOT worse than George W. Bush.

Rebuttals
1. You wrote that "Obama ordered drone strike on unarmed civilians without a court order or any statement." This is completely untrue. Obama's view on the NSA and "spying" may not be the same as yours, but that does not mean you should make up things that are absolutely untrue.

2. Surveillance is essential in order to maintain our national security.

3. This is true, but that does not make Obama necessarily a worse President than Bush. This is not Obama's fault. If only you knew how deeply Bush's policies have wounded our nation, you would know that you cannot blame Obama for this.

4. All people deserve a vacation from time to time. Even the President of the United States of America may have a vacation. And really, with Obama's stress and task before him taken into consideration, one will understand that he truly needs free time.

5. Obamacare is beneficial for many. It is actually working for millions of Americans!

6. No, it is not.

7. Is there any evidence of this?

8. Look at the Republican agenda. Is theirs any better than Obama's?

9. Gun Control does not automatically mean that guns will be taken away. The President simply wants regulations put in place in order to ensure that criminals do not receive a weapon. He does not want to take away the people's right to bear arms.

10. "Spying", as you call it, is essential. I understand that excessive surveillance may violate personal rights, but would you rather invade people's privacies in order to prevent terrorist attacks or would you simply do nothing?

11. This is what the Republicans are doing.

12. This is not true. Social security has been INCREASED, not decreased.

13. That is debatable.

14. There is not sufficient evidence to support such a claim. Obama is a great man and he would not have a kill list. If any President were crazy enough to implement such a policy, it would be George W. Bush.

15. Welfare is beneficial for a temporary solution. In time, it will be replaced by better programs.

16. Look at the Republican agenda. You are describing a Republican policy, not a Democratic or Obama policy. The Republicans support unfair taxes while Democrats want to equalize and balance justice.

17. What did he lie about?

18. We can discuss this issue in detail later.

19. That is false.

20. No, they are not.




MLA Citations

-President Barack Obama in the State of the Union Address, January 25, 2011. "Seniors & Social Security." The White House. The White House. Web. 24 Mar. 2014. <http://www.whitehouse.gov...;.

"Benefits Of ObamaCare: Advantage of ObamaCare."Benefits Of ObamaCare: Advantage of ObamaCare. Web. 24 Mar. 2014. <http://obamacarefacts.com...;.



"Totalitarianism."Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com. Web. 24 Mar. 2014. <http://dictionary.reference.com...;.




Debate Round No. 1
mwen0313

Con

mwen0313 forfeited this round.
WilliamsP

Pro

My opponent forfeits.
Debate Round No. 2
mwen0313

Con

mwen0313 forfeited this round.
WilliamsP

Pro

Forfeiture. I am disappointed.
Debate Round No. 3
mwen0313

Con

mwen0313 forfeited this round.
WilliamsP

Pro

Again, I must endure forfeiture by my opponent.
Debate Round No. 4
mwen0313

Con

mwen0313 forfeited this round.
WilliamsP

Pro

Forfeiture once again.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Buggie111 2 years ago
Buggie111
Williams, mwen's "Liar of the year" is about the "If you like your doctor, you can keep him" statements. Politifact link: http://www.politifact.com...
Posted by GudjonN 2 years ago
GudjonN
First you must prove that Obama actually did all those things.. Otherwise this is more of a propagandistic argument holding no validity.
Posted by imabench 2 years ago
imabench
I'm a bench
Posted by Double_R 2 years ago
Double_R
What everybody said.
Posted by dmussi12 2 years ago
dmussi12
What EndarkenedRationalist said.
Posted by MrDelaney 2 years ago
MrDelaney
What peacenow said.
Posted by peacenow 2 years ago
peacenow
What actionsspeak said.
Posted by EndarkenedRationalist 2 years ago
EndarkenedRationalist
Too easy.
Posted by Actionsspeak 2 years ago
Actionsspeak
(Some advice) Flip your side to pro, spellcheck the title, and list some reasons why bush is good
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Vote Placed by Zarroette 2 years ago
Zarroette
mwen0313WilliamsPTied
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Reasons for voting decision: Con provides no response to Pro's rebuttals. Sources to Pro for being the only one to provide any in a debate where there should be sources.
Vote Placed by etherealvoyager 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct was given because Con forfeited. Spelling and grammar goes to Pro because Con was not able to spell the word "George." Sources go to Pro as he actually had sources.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeits, points pro.