The Instigator
Sir.Ivey
Con (against)
Winning
4 Points
The Contender
1970vu
Pro (for)
Losing
1 Points

Obamacare

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Sir.Ivey
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/8/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 678 times Debate No: 43567
Debate Rounds (5)
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Sir.Ivey

Con

The universal health care system has been implemented and the results at this point in time {1-7-14} are definitively negative. It is easy to see that the errors on the website are just a minor fault compared to the rest of the problems such as the fact that no beneficiaries have paid the costs or premiums yet and no benefits have been received by account holders. The 3000 page bill does not appears that complex any more, due to the fact anyone can know what it is with out reading it, a failure.
1970vu

Pro

First of all. it is not a universal health care system. It is a mandate for people to get insurance. The Congressional Budget Office projected that the ACA will lower both future deficits[9] and Medicare spending.[10] The law also requires insurance companies to cover all applicants within new minimum standards and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or sex.[8] Additional reforms aimed to reduce costs and improve healthcare outcomes by shifting the system towards quality over quantity through increased competition, regulation, and incentives to streamline the delivery of healthcare. It introduced a number of mechanisms"including mandates, subsidies, and insurance exchanges"meant to increase coverage and affordability. This Idea was proposed by the Heritage Foundation in the 1980s. Now there are some problems with it. But why should Republicans Repeal it. Can't they improve it by working together with democrats? You might call me a rino.
Debate Round No. 1
Sir.Ivey

Con

You are right!! It is a mandate, a method of forcing both individuals and companies to purchase health care. It is a such a strong and forceful mandate that it is Anti-free market and more importantly it is a bill that is both Socialistic and Communistic in nature. Your belief that it will cause competition is false, appointed health boards will decide which hospitals and plans individuals will go to or receive. Insurance companies will be forced to offer more coverage and prices of both family plans and individual coverage will rise exponentially. Millions have lost their current Insurance and have little say in their coverage {This is not competition}. The President wants Americans to believe they can keep their insurance if they like, but research from the government, private research firms, and think tanks show this is not the case. The economic incentives plus a government-run health plan as proposed in the House bill (H.R. 3200), would cause 88.1 million people to see their current employer-sponsored health plan disappear. What will be worse is the thousands of companies will have to sack a majority of their employees due to mandate that if they employ 50 or more workers they have to purchase health care for those workers. This mandate may have been composed with good intentions but it will cause millions upon millions of men and women to lose their jobs. Corporations will have to limit their number of employed to 49. The U.S. constitution was a success because it Writer Thomas Jefferson was not just a very brilliant man but he also had good intentions when writing it, Mr. Robert Creamer the head author of the ACA (who has been previously imprisoned for tax fraud) believes that this bill will succeed, with more funding. The last time I checked this administration is already over spending on health care and while reform is a necessity this bill is not reform it is just increasing government debt and insurance costs.
The presence of a mandate is where the similarities between the ACA and the Heritage Plan end, and the massive remaining differences reveal the disagreement between Democrats and Republicans about the importance of access to health care for the non-affluent. The ACA substantially tightens regulations on the health-care industry and requires that plans provide medical service while limiting out-of-pocket expenses. The Heritage Plan mandated only catastrophic plans that wouldn't cover basic medical treatment and would still entail huge expenditures for people afflicted by a medical emergency. The Affordable Care Act contained a historic expansion of Medicaid that will extend medical coverage to millions (and would have covered much more were it not for the Supreme Court), while the Heritage Plan would have diminished the federal role in Medicaid. The ACA preserves Medicare; the Heritage Plan, like the Paul Ryan plan favored by House Republicans, would have destroyed Medicare by replacing it with a voucher system.
"Obama-care" focuses more on making sure people are covered than it does on addressing the cost of care in the first place. In simple terms the bill is both illogical and a failure.
1970vu

Pro

1970vu forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Sir.Ivey

Con

I will not add to my argument seeing that it is already quite adequate, although it contains some grammar errors.
1970vu

Pro

1970vu forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Sir.Ivey

Con

I will again pass.
1970vu

Pro

1970vu forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Sir.Ivey

Con

Sir.Ivey forfeited this round.
1970vu

Pro

1970vu forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by makeshift8 2 years ago
makeshift8
What we don't need is more wasteful spending of the tax dollars provided by small businesses and the middle class. This has caused a giant tax increase, and this new "mandate" is very hard to regulate and control. We cannot continue wasteful spending with American tax dollars. If we continue, what will become of the middle class, what will become of small businesses. I'll tell you what; they will go broke, and join the millions of others who have went jobless due to wasteful spending by the federal government. I am not paying for someone elses insurance, nor am I content with my tax dollars paying for what I don't believe in.

Empowering the majority is the key to getting this unemployment issue fixed, and what the Obama administration is doing is wasteful, and in fact is not doing anything but hurting the majority.

I think that everyone in the middle class/upper class can agree that even though it is for a god cause, it is not helping anything. This wasteful spending should go to more important things like giving jobs. The only reason the poor are not getting insured is because of money, and giving them halfway decent jobs will allow them to fend for themselves. I know I am pro business, but it has made us the top dog in the past, and the Obama administration should ask the country about what they would want to do with their tax dollars. Or maybe we should reduce them, so we can help the poor by encouraging growth of small businesses, which allows higher employment and the ability to pay more, even to unskilled workers. Obviously the federal government of this fine nation is doing something wrong, and the refuse to correct it and rather continue with the same god forsaken thing that they have been doing which has got us into this mess in the first place!
Posted by zrg4848 2 years ago
zrg4848
The idea of te individual mandate can be traced back to the heritage foundation and Newt Gingrich so I fail to see why republicans can't agree with an idea suggested by two of their most powerful forces.
Posted by Cheetah 2 years ago
Cheetah
Prepare to win, sir.
Posted by Cheetah 2 years ago
Cheetah
Prepare to win, sir.
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Vote Placed by EndarkenedRationalist 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: CON made some good arguments and some inaccurate ones, but PRO forfeited and thus never pointed this out. S&G go to PRO. Conduct goes to CON because of the ff. Neither used used sources.