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Obama's plan for Afghanistan is in the best interest of the United States'.

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Started: 1/17/2010 Category: News
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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buddy0972

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We, the negative, would like to define Bush's original plan for entering Afghanistan and then Obama's current plan for Afghanistan:
In Bush's original plan for Afghanistan the reasons for entering the war were:
-to capture Bin Laden
-to destroy the Al Qaeda
-and remove the Taliban which provided a safe harbor for Al Qaeda
Now we would like to break down what Obama's Plan consists of:
-30,000 troops, a troop being one soldier, being sent to Afghanistan
-begin to withdraw troops in 18 months
-cost $30 billion for the first year alone
-Obama has asked NATO to commit 5,000-10,000 more troops
Obama's plan for the war is not in the best interest of the United States because it jeopardizes the safety of our citizens, our economic stability, and is never ending.
We would like to clarify the perimeters for this round:
By analyzing the resolution, we are debating whether "President Obama's Plan" is in "the best interest of the United States'"
Contention One
Economical
A. War is not a cheap thing, and with a current debt of $12.17 trillion(Forbes Economic Commentary) money is not easy to come by. Our financial state is not looking very good and a costly war is not going to solve it. We are going to have to pay for this one way another not necessarily today but if we borrow more money and increase our debt it will be even more difficult to pay off. Also by borrowing money we are being more dependent upon other countries decreasing our hedgemony.Putting more stress on the American tax payers.
B. The current cost of the war is $389 billion. Setting up the infrastructure to house them, setting up supply lines, training them, transporting them, and feeding them all costs money. By sending these additional troops to Afghanistan it would be increasing the cost of the war by $30 billion a year. Deploying more troops in a limited amount of time is likely to boost the cost.Not to mention things usually cost more than originally planned for. For example the Iraq war was planned to cost $200 billion and actally cost $3 trillion,

Contention Two
Military
A. Obama's plan for Afghanistan threatens the U.S. military by the loss of soldiers. So far in Afghanistan war 5,302 soldiers have been killed or injured. And there is surely more to come.
B. Also there is the risk of over extension. By sending these 30,000 troops to Afghanistan we are depleting our troops in the U.S. therefore jeopardizing our own national security. Consequently, by sending these forces to a place where they are not wanted would only make riots for peace breakout. These 30,000 troops are not going to make much difference and then these soldiers lives would be lost invain.
C. We have been in Afghanistan since October 7,2001.
- Senator Orrin Hatch, a member of the Intelligence Committee, said in an interview with MSNBC that, "The real problem here is that, what do we do in just 18 months? It took us 8 years to develop just 80,000 Afghan troops and the estimate is that it will take four times that number to bring stabilization to Afghanistan. Can we do that within 18 months?" We have been in Afghanistan for 8 years how is 18 months suddenly going to change our progress.
-A McClatchy Article states "the extremists may persevere in their fight, thinking they can run out the clock and further erode support for the war in the United States as congressional elections loom in 2010, while pumping up their own ranks."
The timetable Obama has set up to withdraw troops will cause for the Taliban to wait it out.
D. Alienation
By sending this surge of troops we are asking for the Afghanistan people to flock together, whether good or bad. Of the little Al Qaeda left they will be reviled as with the Taliban.
Secondly, we have killed many civilians in Afghanistan; surely you don't think they would love 30,000 more troops in their presence. The US led war has already killed at least 30,000 civilians. (CNN) That is 10 times more lives than were taken in 9-11. That is not counting the starvation as a result of the war. The war against Afghanistan has caused massive harm to the Afghan society.
Contention Three Why Fight
A. -Peter Navarro. "Orange Grove: Get out of Afghanistan now" OC Register. September 25, 2009: "As the British learned in two wars with Afghanistan in the 1800s and the Soviets learned in their bloodbath of the 1980s, Afghanistan is no country at all. Rather, it's a diverse collection of primitive tribes occupying a harsh landscape pockmarked with tens of thousands of hiding places ideal for guerrilla warfare. On the quagmire scale, it rates a full 10 and makes Vietnam look like a cakewalk. Why we want to send American sons and daughters into that trap is the question for this age."
This quote is saying that many other nations have tried to go into Afghanistan and it has all ended up with a lot of bloodshed and little progress. Also it is saying that Afghanistan is like a collection of tribes formed into a country, therefore when one tribe is convinced against us so is the next. We have tried troop surges in the past and they have not made much progress. For example we supplied a troop surge in 2007 with little effect on the way things progressed , perhaps just causing more dislike to our country.
B. Obama's plan conflicts the US people. According to a Gallup poll conducted on Sept. 22-23, 50 percent of Americans oppose the idea of sending more troops to Afghanistan, while 41% support the idea.
C. The original reasons for being in Afghanistan are not being carried out :
Bin Laden has not been captured and has likely fled to another country. Strike one
There are only an estimated 100 or less Al Qaeda members left in Afghanistan. While there are 300 in tribal areas of Pakistan compared with tens of thousands of Taliban insurgents on either side of the border. (CNN)
There are 10-15,000 Taliban left in Afghanistan.We need to put more troops in to defeat them.
Peter Navarro. "Orange Grove: Get out of Afghanistan now" OC Register. September 25, 2009: "Consider the first argument: Afghanistan must not be allowed to be a staging area for al-Qaida terrorists. Of course, it was from Afghan soil that Osama bin Laden oversaw the 9/11 attacks so this argument seems at first glance compelling. However, Afghanistan is now just one of many possible staging areas for al-Qaida. In fact, hot zone that Afghanistan is, it is now much easier for al-Qaida's decentralized networks to conduct operations in numerous other places, with Algeria, Somalia, and Yemen emerging as the newest strongholds. Why aren't we invading them?"
Meaning that Al Qaeda is more threatening other places, so why aren't we there.

In conclusion, Obama's plan is not in the United States' best interest, instead the U.S. best interest is the safety of their citizens, economical stability, and preventing further tensions.
debatergreat

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dude...debate the topic i made...this one is kind of boring....
that is all my friend.
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buddy0972

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what is your topic
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
You should change the 'we's to 'I's. It's annoying. Just hit Ctrl+F, and you can find all of them.
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