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1. An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
2. (belief in) Trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).
The first definition objectifies belief and is surely, in every way, impossible.
If you're referring to religion in this then belief is technically not an opinion. It actually always bothered me when people told me that "this is what you believe and this is what i believe" if you 'believe in a religion that means that you are low in confidence and faith. I as a proud religious man , do not believe, i know . For me it is not my opinion my faith in god is high so therefore i know. If someone tells me that i 'have beliefs' i'm guessing hes an atheist.Because he doesn't "believe". Now i do agree with you that the proper definition of believe is what you wrote. But however when you enter religion words have complete different meanings. E.G. English people say that a Muslims mandatory worship is praying. But we don't actually pray sometimes we use the closest word to the actual meaning. That's what happened in the word belief, it doesn't fully fit the actual meaning of the word but its the closest thing to relate it to and i pass it to you
I want to begin by saying that I'm not here to debate the existence of God. I assume that what you believe makes you happy and that's great. It's not my intention to refute that and I will therefore write my arguments in this tone throughout. With this in mind, I'd like to focus on the fourth and fifth sentences in your argument if I may:
"I as a proud religious man, do not believe, I know. For me it is not my opinion my faith in god is high so therefore I know."
I wasn't necessarily referring to religion in my description but for the purpose of this debate I don't mind including it. As you are challenging me, would you agree that what you speak about here is objective belief? You believe to such an extent that you know?
In our every day lives we use faith, as per the second definition. It's necessary because we draw on our experiences in order to make decisions, often in our subconscious. This faith/trust/confidence is subjective because most of the time we lack complete evidence. But that's fine because we gauge likelihood as best we can and indeed we can get it right or wrong. In order to make fewer mistakes we try to narrow the gap between opinions and knowledge. The key to this of course, is evidence.
To claim that God exists is an extraordinary claim. Like I said, I'm not debating truths here. But an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence does it not? Sure, it could be true, just as it could also no be true. Only when it is proven is such a claim considered to be knowledge. Not before. I therefore hold that even if God exists, you do not know because you have no way of knowing, unless you can present evidence and prove it first. Until this time, you believe, you have subjective belief.
One thing I disagree with is something being true for one person but not true for someone else. That's clearly illogical. People are not entitled to their own facts because then they could use those facts to justify whatever they wanted. That's not how it works and I think a mindset like that is incredibly dangerous.
It is for this reason that a belief (even if it is true) is subjective until it is proven, then it is knowledge.
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