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JustCallMeTarzan
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The Contender
intelectualmastermind
Con (against)
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On Balance, Non-Cognitivism is the Proper Moral Model.

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JustCallMeTarzan
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/7/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Since DATCMOTO has cowardly refused to defend his position on this topic (twice) I open it to all...

The proposition on offer is that there are simply no moral truths. In short, morality is non-cognitive in nature.

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Relevant Definitions:

Morality: conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct. (http://dictionary.reference.com......)

Moral Proposition : a statement of the form X is right/wrong. Example: slavery is wrong.

Moral Truth : The ability to describe a moral proposition as true or false.

Truth Value : the designation True or False.

Cognitive : the position that moral propositions have a truth value.

Non-Cognitive : the position that moral propositions have no truth value.

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Contentions:

1) Cognitive morality consists of the following viewpoints.
-----a) All moral propositions are false (error theory)
-----b) At least 1 moral proposition is true
----------i) Subjectivism (whatever I say goes)
----------ii) Conventionalism (whatever most people say goes)
----------iii) Idealism (whatever John Doe would say goes)
----------iv) Religious appeal (whatever God says goes)
-----c) Naturalism
----------i) Analytic (nature describes what goes)
----------ii) Reductive (we can infer what goes)

2) All of the above points have at least 1 problem with them.

3) Until these problems are solved, rational beings should endorse non-cognitivism in theory, if not in practice.

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I've made this debate 4 rounds because I don't believe CON will want to argue all of the cognitive points, so I'll let him choose which one(s) to defend and we'll start actual argumentation in the 2nd round.

As always, comments are welcome before the debate commences to clarify terms, etc...
intelectualmastermind

Con

Deja VU!!!!!!
Debate Round No. 1
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Really? Get out of here you troll...

No contentions made by my opponent.

Winning contention: All cognitive systems have a definitional problem in defining "the good" or "good."

It will go unopposed.Vote Pro.

AFFIRMED.
intelectualmastermind

Con

You don't look beyond pro and con you always have to pick a side like its somehow a competition rather than the spread of intellectual knowledge.
Debate Round No. 2
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

No arguments put forth. Extend mine.

AFFIRMED.
intelectualmastermind

Con

Really? of course you don't look beyond the social conceptions that were brought forth through the society
Debate Round No. 3
JustCallMeTarzan

Pro

Ho hum...

AFFIRMED.
intelectualmastermind

Con

"What I fear and desire most in this world is passion. I fear it because it promises to be spontaneous, out of control, unnamed, beyond my reasonable self. I desire it because passion has color, like the landscape before me. It is not pale. It is not neutral. It reveals the backside of the heart."
-Derrick Jensen
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by DATCMOTO 8 years ago
DATCMOTO
You could email the arguments to an accomplice to post.. even an idiot could work somethings out.
Posted by Alk09 8 years ago
Alk09
no JCMT is a puppet account!
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 8 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
yes you idiot - because they would ban both the other accounts, but not me...

honestly... do you think before you type?? I wonder...
Posted by DATCMOTO 8 years ago
DATCMOTO
The troll was probably ANOTHER one of JCMT's puppet accounts.. NO WONDER he has such a high win ratio: He's usually debating himself! Now how's THAT for COWARDLY?
Posted by TheSkeptic 8 years ago
TheSkeptic
Aw man, this troll came in and wasted it. All points to PRO.
Posted by Maikuru 8 years ago
Maikuru
Some debates don't require RFD's.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 8 years ago
studentathletechristian8
RFD:

B/A: Tied/Tied
Conduct: Pro. Obviously.
S & G: Pro. Obviously.
C A: Pro. Obviously.
Sources: Pro. Obviously 1>0
Posted by TheSkeptic 8 years ago
TheSkeptic
Just curious, what variety of non-cognitivism are you?
Posted by JustCallMeTarzan 8 years ago
JustCallMeTarzan
Oh hush you. Fixed.
Posted by TheSkeptic 8 years ago
TheSkeptic
Hm, this looks interesting! I'll probably take it sooner or later, just gotta get some things done in my schedule. So if it's still open then, I'll take it :)
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