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Ariezx
Pro (for)
The Contender
toocoolblue
Con (against)

On balance, Donald Trump's presidency is susceptible towards failure

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/11/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 weeks ago Status: Debating Period
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Ariezx

Pro

Parameters and Precepts:


  • Round 1-Acceptance

  • Round 2-Case

  • Round 3-Rebutal

  • Round 4-Defense

  • No Kritiks

  • No new arguments introduced in round 4.


I will be propunding the notion that Donald Trump's agenda, personality, and economic policy will lead to failure.

toocoolblue

Con

I will gladly accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Ariezx

Pro

I thank my opponent for activating this endaevor I have set forth. My main objective for this debate is to bestow Trump supporters with clarity on the main comlications with Donald Trump. The case propounded will not be a social justice warrior manifesto, but merely a deprication of the impact Trump's economic, foreign, and environmental policy proposals. I offer the following terms:
  • Balance- a weighing scale for benefits and harms
  • susceptible-likely to be influenced or harmed
  • Failure- a lack of success

C1-Economy:

  1. Flat Tax
  2. Deregulation
  3. Undocumented Immigrants
  4. Obamacare

Manifesting a simultaneous incompetence and conpetence is one of America's many gifts. Nowhere is the American people's incompetence more transparent than the general awareness of economic proposals propounded by our candidates. According to the 49,500,000 people, Bush's economy was fairely successsful. The American people now possess the avid desire to maximize the tax cuts under the Bush's administration in order to somehow acquire the prosperity Bush and Cheney were so close to achieving. The Bush tax cuts(Flat Tax) perpetuated the American economy. It unleashed the beast of Capitalism not on America's adversaries, but on the American people through deceptive con artists and wall street. Deregulation allowed Wall Street to gamble with the mony of hard earned Americans. Too many variables against the American people lead tothe economic crash. This resulted in our economy suffering a depletion of between 300,000 and 600,000 jobs per month. The failed business man that has been elected has set forth plants equivilant to that of Bush. Trump will implement a 15% tax rate, and similar tax rates for everybody. This is the very definition of insanity. He will also allow for Dodd Frank to blead which wil allow Wall Street access to the average joe's savings in the bank. His proposal to ban Undocumented immigrants is clear vindication of how a failed business man thinks. Undocumted immigrants contribute 11.6 billion dollars into our economy. It is a fact that they ae taxed more than the top 1%. Why would you discard such valuable labour units? Doanld Trump intends on dismantling Obamacare which would leave 20 million people perpetuating their already degraded status in America. Abortions will gain frequency due to the fact that those same 20 million people will be forced to pay 15,000 dollars for a C-section, and 800 dollars for an MRI. Republicans are indeed profficient in asserting their un-substantiated proposals.

C2-Foreign Policy:

  1. Nato


It appeas that repudiating our allies is most beneficial stategy when it comes to asserting America's position in the world. As we all know, Trump has repeatedly made vigourous claims about his endaveour to cause a dissolution of NATO. NATO is one the few ways America asserts its dominance in the world. America was in a dominant position in Europe. NATO grantsus the ability to access logistics, supplies, and bases which bolster our ability to establish military coalitions. NATO proved its worthiness in bolstering America's endaevor to push Saddam out of Kuwait. We still utilize the Incirlik air base in Turkey to launch our military campaigns in Syria. NATO bolsters America's ability to assert its secuity interests. It also perpetuates Europe into a state of dependency upon American power. However, Trump's advent in Washington has compelled Germany to initiate further steps to consolidate Germany's military power. America's power in the world is essential towards the world's equilibriam and stabilty. An American repudiation would allow Russia and China to initiate a power vaccum detrimental towards the longevity of democracy around the world. Donald Trump's policies will only catalyze such an event.

C3-Environment:
Above 90% of Scientists deem Global Warming to be a legitmate occurance.Above 90% of scientists agree with the estimate that the whole gulf coast(Trump Supporters) will be covered in water due to the unaturual amplificantions provided by Global Warming. Trump has made it clear that he intends on letting the EPA blead. The EPA are one of the few agencies that can hinder the devestating affects of Global Warming. A Trump administration would amplify these effects.

Works Cited:

http://blogs.wsj.com...

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http://graphics.wsj.com...

http://www.the-american-interest.com...

http://www.itep.org...

https://www.washingtonpost.com...


toocoolblue

Con

Wow.... I'm not sure a manifesto containing as many errors as Pro just posted is even worth a response.

As a small example, Pro clearly has no idea that the "Bush Tax Cuts" had nothing, whatsoever, to do with a Flat Tax. Further, Pro seems oblivious to the fact that when Obama was elected in 2008 he brought with him complete control of both the House and the Senate. The "Bush Tax Cuts" could have been ended on Obama's first day in office. Instead, they were extended into 2013. Following this, Obama signed a new law (American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012) which reinstated almost all of the "Bush Tax Cuts" just under a different name.

The "Bush Tax Cuts" are a perfect example of how politics really work in America. The Left misrepresented these tax cuts as being something that benefited the only the rich, knowing that nothing could be further from the truth.
Because they were helping the poor and the middle class - the Dems kept the tax cuts, completely unafraid that the biased and corrupt News Media would expose their dishonesty and hypocrisy.

As for the rest of Pro's barely coherent statements, such as ,

Quote -"The failed business man that has been elected has set forth plants equivilant to that of Bush.." plants?!? equivilant?!? Does Pro one day plant to have the equivilant of a rational argument?

Quote -"He will also allow for Dodd Frank to blead which wil allow Wall Street access to the average joe's savings in the bank."
Blead? What does that even mean? In what fairy tale is Wall Street going to be able to take people's savings out of banks?

Quote -"His proposal to ban Undocumented immigrants is clear vindication of how a failed business man thinks. "
Vindication?...Why bother continuing to respond to this nonsense?

It really makes me wonder if Pro is in fact just a Republican who's trying to make Democrats look bad.

At any rate, Donald Trump is simply the most accomplished and sucessful person who has ever achieved the office of President of the United States.

The combined net worth of the preceding 44 Presidents likely doesn't constitute 1% of Trumps' net worth.

Trump's Multi-National, Multi-Billion dollar empire, directly employees thousand and the number of people he indirectly employees could run into the hundeds of thousands.

He just became the first person to become President without any other government or military experience.

He did this while overcoming obstacles no candidate has ever faced before, such as, within his own party, the "Never-Trumpers" and 24/7, around the clock bashing by the radical leftwing controlled News Media. In this election,Trump defeated a corrupt political machine 30 years in the making, the like of which has never been witnessed.

He won States that everyone else said were impossible.

Eight years ago, we elected the least qualified person in American History as our President.

Today, we have a 20 trillion dollar hole where our future used to be. Obama has ran up more debt by himself than all previous Presidents combined. So much for your future.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com...

We gave billions of dollars to the most dangerous nation on earth, because they told us they wouldn't use that money to develop nuclear or biologial weapons. Gee.. I wonder if we can trust psychotic lunatics who follow a religion that advocates suicide while murdering others? Sleep well at night America, Obama was in charge.

Today we have replaced a fool with a man who has accomplished more by himself than all other Presidents combined.

Its truly a shame his Presidency will be spent cleaning up after a child and the idiots who worshiped him.
Debate Round No. 2
Ariezx

Pro

If your going to engage in a juvenile attempt to chide and troll this debate, than at least be more origninal about it. A 5 year old could make a better troll case than you. Nonetheless, Con does set forth notions that many Trump supporters agree upon.

"As a small example, Pro clearly has no idea that the "Bush Tax Cuts" had nothing, whatsoever, to do with a Flat Tax. "
Obama increased taxes on the rich. A tax rate for people who made above 500,000 dollars under the Bush administration was between 15-20%. It is now 35% thanks to Obama.

"At any rate, Donald Trump is simply the most accomplished and sucessful person who has ever achieved the office of President of the United States."
  • Trump Airlines-Trump invested 362 million dollars in this business. It left him 362 million dollars in debt.
  • Trump Casinos-Donald Trump’s gambles don’t always go as planned. Especially when that gamble is gambling itself. In February 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for the third time in a row — an extremely rare feat in American business. The casino company, founded in the 1980s, runs the Taj Mahal, the Trump Plaza and the Trump Marina. All three casinos are located in Atlantic City, N.J., where the gambling industry has faced a decline in tourists who prefer gambling in Pennsylvania and Connecticut instead. Trump defended himself by distancing himself from the company, though he owned 28% of its stock. “Other than the fact that it has my name on it — which I’m not thrilled about — I have nothing to do with the company,” he said. He resigned from Trump Entertainment soon after that third filing, and in August of that year he, along with an affiliate of Beal Bank Nevada agreed to buy the company for $100 million. The company reported it emerged from bankruptcy in July 2010
  • Trump Steaks- A complete flop
  • Trump Magazine-The business commenced in 2007, and declared bankrupcy in 2007
  • GoTrump.com-It was meant to be a compete with Travelocity, yet the website shutdown mysteriously.
  • Trump University-In 2005, Trump opened the non-accredited, for-profit Trump University. In 2010, four students sued the university for “offering classes that amounted to extended ‘infomercials.’” Following the suit, the “university” changed its name to “The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative,” before ending operations one year later. In 2013, the New York Attorney General sued Trump and the “university” for $40 million for allegedly defrauding students.

http://time.com...

toocoolblue

Con

First, I'm shocked the Pro would even bother to continue in the "debate" after completely embarrassing himself in his first error filled, delusional rant.
But in keeping with his previous theme of delusion over reality, he offers us another barely coherent rant.

Quote -
As a small example, Pro clearly has no idea that the "Bush Tax Cuts" had nothing, whatsoever, to do with a Flat Tax. "
Obama increased taxes on the rich. A tax rate for people who made above 500,000 dollars under the Bush administration was between 15-20%. It is now 35% thanks to Obama.

How does stating Obama raised taxes in any way, refute the factually correct observation that Pro doesn't have a clue as to the meaning of the words - "Flat Tax"?

Further, as always, his "facts" which probably gathers from posting forums, couldn't be more incorrect.

To quote CNN (which couldn't be more biased) the top 1% are now paying an average tax rate that's 6 percentage points higher than when Obama first took office.
http://money.cnn.com...

Can Pro read? that's a 6% increase - not 100%+ increase.

Further, Pro completely ignores the obvious dishonesty and hypocrisy of having complete control of the House, the Senate and The White House from 2008-2010 and NOT RAISING TAXES ON THE WEALTHY.
Obama -
"I didn't raise taxes once. I lowered taxes over the last two years," Obama said.
http://www.politifact.com...

Pro follows now concludes his error filled rant with something cut and pasted from another stalwart of biased left wing propaganda dissemination masquerading as journalism.

Of course, no mention is made of Trump's successes, only the relatively few failures.

At the end of the day, given the LOW estimate of Trump's wealth, at 3.7 Billion dollars and assuming he did not collect interest or any other form of income. He could throw $10,000 dollars a day - over the balcony of Trump Towers for 1000 years and not go broke.

Yeah...that's some "failed" businessman.
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