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Once Saved, Always Saved

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Started: 7/5/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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This is my first debate (ever) so i wanted to start out with something i don't hear much about. Not saying it's not talked about, just saying to me it's not as popular. The topic of "if you are a saved Christian can you lose your salvation?"

I for one believe yes, you can lose it. A believer is changed when they accept salvation and no longer desire the same things they did before. It's very easy to "lose track" of God and to fall away from our salvation.

I'm not sure how this whole thing works but before I continue I'll leave some questions to make common ground for someone who believes you can be saved and do the same thing sinners do or basically do whatever they want and still be saved and make it to heaven.

If you are saved and continue to do the same things you've done before isn't that going against the teachings of 2Corinthians 5:17?

If it is true that you are once saved, always saved believer couldn't it be possible for someone to accept Christ into their heart then later on to completely lose faith in Him and deny Him? Would they still go to heaven for turning their back on God and not returning to Him?


First off, I want to welcome my opponent to DDO. I hope he enjoys it here.
Normally, since my opponent did offer an argument I would make a full case here. But since this is his first debate, I will only make a rebuttal for his argument and allow him the first full case. And off we go..

You say that if you are "saved and continue to do the same things you've done before" than you are going against 2 Cor. 5:17. That's right. But if you continue in your sin constantly you were never truly saved. Just remember "By their fruits ye shall know them"- Matt. 7:20
Now I will allow you the first full argument.

Debate Round No. 1


Thanks for the welcome! And for taking it easy :)

You make a very good point, and I agree that once you are saved you are a completely new person. I'm not taking anything away from the power of salvation. But it is possible for one to fall away as stated in Hebrews chapter 6 where it says
" 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame"

I believe God is a merciful God and if one does fall short of what we are made for (which we all do) He bestows mercy and grace. As stated above though, it is possible for one to fall away completely and to deny God, but impossible for them to be brought back to repentance if it happens.



NUMBER_1RED_SOX_FAN forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2


To make everything clear, my opponent responded his side of round 2 in the comment section because of problems with the website letting him respond. So, I will begin responding to his argument here.

In Hebrews 6 after it talks about moving on from elementary teachings to being taken forward to maturity it also says "...not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

Then it goes on to say how it is impossible for one to return to God after falling away without repentance. To me Paul (or whoever wrote Hebrews) is simply saying that okay, we've repented and baptized and its time to move on to new understandings instead of staying in the same elementary teachings. If it is not talking about salvation, then what is it talking about? There are many instances in the Bible where it talks about feeling absent from the presence of the LORD, including in Song on Solomon 5. Hebrews 10:29 states
"29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?"
1Timothy 4:1 says " Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" and goes on to say that characteristics of the ones who have lost the faith.

You mentioned John 10 as He refers to no one taking His sheep away. But if we become no longer after Him and lose salvation, we are no longer His sheep. In verse 26 Jesus says
"But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you."
And then continues the statement. To me this statement is about the elect who in the end will remain faithful and true to God and will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. In His eyes He knows who will chose Him and who are His sheep.

John 2:19 which you also referred to also talks about the elect. Before I go on to make things clear I believe in free will (I am not sure if you do) and I believe in Gods eyes He knows who will belong to Him. In our eyes, we do not know though.

Back to the subject, like I said, it refers to the ones who will stay with Jesus and continue to believe in Him.

Before I end my side of this I would like to say I believe the Bible as 100% undeniable truth and that His ways are far beyond our understandings. I do believe once you are saved you should always be saved but I don't believe in the once saved, always saved mentality of accepting Jesus once then doing anything you want the rest of you're life thinking its okay.


NUMBER_1RED_SOX_FAN forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by NUMBER_1RED_SOX_FAN 4 years ago
My opponent says "If it is not talking about salvation, then what is it talking about?" What is it talking about? It is talking about fellowship with God. Remember, Paul is writing to Jews, Jews who are used to daily repentance with sacrifices. He is saying if you fall away you cannot come back by sacrifices.
He then goes on to talk about feeling absent from God. You can be temporarily absent from God and still be saved. Just look at the Jews in the time of the Judges. They were in a constant cycle of being temporarily absent and then returning.
I have rebutted my opponent"s points, but know I must point out something that should count essentially as a concession. He says "I do believe once you are saved you should always be saved but I don't believe in the once saved, always saved mentality of accepting Jesus once then doing anything you want the rest of you're life thinking its okay." (Sorry about grammar, his words, not mine.) He proves my point. My mentality is not that one you are saved you do anything you want to. If you are like that you are not truly saved. My opponent mentioned 2 Cor. 5:17 in his first round and said that if you continue to do those old things then you are violating that verse. On the contrary, you are proving it. If you were truly saved, then you would be a new creature and old things would pass away. So, if you are truly saved ,as my opponent has conceded, you will remain saved.
In conclusion, my opponent has said, "I believe the Bible as 100% undeniable truth." That is true and the undeniable truth is that once you are truly saved you will always be saved.
This was a good debate and again, I am sorry that I must post in the comments. DDO is glitching again.
Posted by NUMBER_1RED_SOX_FAN 4 years ago
I have to post my arguments here as the place to post arguments would not allow me to post. My opponent is aware of this.

I will first address my opponents point and then I will make my case.

First, my opponents agreed to what I said about his point in Round 1.

He quotes Hebrews 6:4-6 as proof for losing salvation, however this is not in the context of salvation. It is in the context of fellowship. Notice what the author says in verse 1. He says "Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ." Those elementary teachings include salvation. This proves that the following passage is not talking about salvation.

I will now go on to my case. For clarification, C will stand for contention(Ex. C1, Contention 1) and P will stand for point(Ex. P1, Point 1). For a debate like this contentions may just be verses or passages.
C1-John 10:27-28-27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
This is a very important verse for my side, especially verse 28. It does not take much explaining to understand this verse. Just read the last part of verse 28. "no one will snatch them out of my hand."
C2-1 John 2:19-19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
This verse is both an argument for my side and an argument preventing further arguments against my side.
Again this is does not require much explanation. All that needs to be said is "For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us."

If you think that my case is lacking extra things such as explanations and extrapolations, I"m sorry. However, no more is needed. The bible explains itself.
I want to thank my opponent for this debate and for being civil. Another debate like this was less than civil.
Posted by KeytarHero 4 years ago
I may take this debate up if no one takes it in a few days.
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