The Instigator
nonprophet
Pro (for)
Winning
5 Points
The Contender
Parker236
Con (against)
Losing
0 Points

One can both be an agnostic and an atheist

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after 2 votes the winner is...
nonprophet
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/19/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 2,200 times Debate No: 52918
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (67)
Votes (2)

 

nonprophet

Pro

First round is acceptance only

Con must accept the following definitions:

Atheist; One that lacks a belief in god
Agnostic: One that lacks knowledge of a god's existence.

Parker236

Con

No, they cannot be. In the terms you gave it does not say under agnostic that they dont believe in god they just lack the evidence to prove he is real. This is where faith comes into the question. Heaven is about faith no one knows if its real or not.
Debate Round No. 1
nonprophet

Pro

Faith is just an excuse to believe something WITHOUT evidence!

Many people think an Agnostic is the same as being an Atheist. There is a difference and they are not mutually exclusive. You can, in fact, be an Agnostic Atheist.
You can also be an Agnostic Theist. The opposite of Agnostic is Gnostic. You can be a Gnostic Atheist or you can be a Gnostic Theist.
Agnosticism is based on what you know, while Atheism is based on what you believe.
In order to be an Agnostic, you have to admit you don't know for sure. Since
nobody can prove that there is no God and not enough evidence exists that can
prove that there is a God, it would be fair to say that every person who values evidence, is an Agnostic. Sure, there are people who claim they know that there is, or isn't, a God. That would make them Gnostic. If you claim you know for sure,
you'd need evidence to back that claim up.
Atheism is the lack of the belief in a God. If you believe in a God, you are a
Theist. If you lack the belief in a God, you are an Atheist.
If you don"t believe there is a God and claim you know there isn't a God, you
are a Gnostic Atheist. If you don't believe there is a God, but admit you don't
know for sure, you are an Agnostic Atheist. If you do believe in a God and admit
you aren't sure, you are an Agnostic Theist. If you believe there is a God and you
claim you know for sure, you are a Gnostic Theist.
Most Atheists are critical thinkers and rely on evidence. Without evidence, you
can't know for sure. That's why most Atheists are also Agnostic. There are Atheists who actually do claim they know for sure that there is no God, so not all Atheists are Agnostic.
Because of the social stigma associated with the word Atheist, many Atheist
call themselves Agnostic.
Parker236

Con

Parker236 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
nonprophet

Pro

Parker236 forfeited, but I'm sure there will be nobody who will bring themselves to vote in my favor.

I'll be proved right on that one.
Parker236

Con

Parker236 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by nonprophet 3 years ago
nonprophet
Because it's creepy how you stalk me on DDO, Wylted.
Posted by Wylted 3 years ago
Wylted
Haha, you're a coward nonprophet. Why don't you debate me on a real issue?
Posted by nonprophet 3 years ago
nonprophet
@Mhykiel, Anon_Y_Mous,The_Scapegoat_bleats, Fanath, oculus_de_logica, Christian_Debater and Wylted Now you can't debate with me nor vote on my future debates. A dream come true.
Posted by nonprophet 3 years ago
nonprophet
@Anon_Y_Mous I have you blocked from any of my debates, so give it up. You had your chance.
Posted by Mhykiel 3 years ago
Mhykiel
@creedhunt if in the comment section people point out how his argument is trolling, or circular, or something wrong with it, before there is a contender, The Instigator can change the debate. He can go back and reword the definitions. I'm of the crowd that if you accept to debate you accept the definitions as established. So you have nothing to cry about from the get go.
Posted by Anon_Y_Mous 3 years ago
Anon_Y_Mous
@nonprophet:
Can you specify what the criteria for accepting this are?
Posted by creedhunt 3 years ago
creedhunt
My apologies for being misleading and rude. My point was that instead of complaining about the ways in which this cannot be debated in the comment section, you should actually debate using the only aspect that is debatable.
Posted by creedhunt 3 years ago
creedhunt
I wasn't aware that contending false definitions was considered an inappropriate response to them. In any case, it's certainly better than debating them here.
Grow up.
Posted by nonprophet 3 years ago
nonprophet
@creedhunt

Accepting it and then crying about it would be childish. You're the reason why I don't debate with 15 year olds.
Posted by creedhunt 3 years ago
creedhunt
Somebody should just accept the debate and then contend the definitions as they are false.
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Vote Placed by Anon_Y_Mous 3 years ago
Anon_Y_Mous
nonprophetParker236Tied
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Reasons for voting decision: Full Forfeiture.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con is actually right, The defintion Pro offers for agnostic doesn't necessarily reqire one to be an agnostic, he could also be a believer but just lack the knowledge of Gods existience. Conduct to Pro for Con's forfiet and no score for arguments as Con refused to argue further.