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Operation Northwoods proves the U.S. Government is immoral or evil

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/7/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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BirdieMachine

Pro

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban Government.

Just so happened the man who rejected the plan was later to be assassinated (some believe by that same US Gov).

The fact that they would propose a terrorist killing style event (false flag event like 9/11) proves that the US Gov is evil.

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Bored_Debater

Con

If the US government was evil, the operation wouldn't have been rejected as you admitted. Is the United States a perfect do no wrong nation? No.

The United States wouldn't have.. Brought about lend lease to the nations fighting the evil governments in World War 2. They wouldn't have initiated the Marshal Plan to help rebuild Europe helping them become wealthier than pre war levels. They wouldn't have helped rebuild Japan but committed harsh conditions on their conquered foe. They wouldn't have come to the aid of South Korea in 1950. Help South Vietnam in the through the 60s and 70s. Face the Soviets and deter them from trying to gobble of Europe. Save Kuwait from Iraq. The United States government provides more aid then any other nation in the world. When a disaster happens, the US government offers help, sends rescue teams and initiates operations to help. An evil government would take those opportunities to benefit themselves and pounce on them like a predator.

I could go on and on. However, as you admitted the United States thought up possible methods to do something. The method that you bring forth as proof as evilness is also proof of goodness. The method was rejected and was not carried out. The United States helped save the world from the evil governments of Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and the Empire of Japan. Then would stand of the way of the evil government of the Soviet Union. Come to the rescue or many nations throughout the decades and so on and so forth.

The United States government is not evil. In comparison to other nations that were previously the mightiest of their time, the United States is a godsend.

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Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by KRTxBallistic 7 months ago
KRTxBallistic
I watched the news today, help!!!!!!
Posted by KRTxBallistic 7 months ago
KRTxBallistic
Help me reverse the brainwashing! Do you have any more conspiracy garbage so I can dirty up my mind? Please help me!!
Posted by BirdieMachine 7 months ago
BirdieMachine
You know cognitive dissonance is setting in when you lash out uncontrollably. It's better knowing the truth, that way we can make changes. When you are completely brainwashed by state sponsored propaganda you don't have a chance.
Posted by KRTxBallistic 7 months ago
KRTxBallistic
Does the Gov mind control work if you're wearing tinfoil?
Posted by KRTxBallistic 7 months ago
KRTxBallistic
Oh my god, you're right! Got anymore tinfoil?
Posted by BirdieMachine 7 months ago
BirdieMachine
RT is pushing their narratives as well. Key is using that pea sized thing you call a brain and try and figure out what the truth is.

I know that the US Gov and Mass Media are constantly lying so that gives me a edge. Any Gov that will kill it's own people in a False Flag attack to start unprovoked War for profit will certainly lie constantly to the public.
Posted by KRTxBallistic 7 months ago
KRTxBallistic
I wonder if Birdie thinks RT News is reliable?
Posted by BirdieMachine 7 months ago
BirdieMachine
Of course the moon landing was fake you fool!

Besides it is actually harder to know the truth and be a Critical Thinker then a mindless sheep that believes what they are told to believe.

Enjoy your State Sponsored Propaganda you Brainwashed Orwellian Simpleton.
Posted by Bored_Debater 7 months ago
Bored_Debater
Dude, you're not teaching me anything dummy. No, I don't think they would have been able to take on the Soviets without America. After the Soviet withdrawal we continued supporting them until the government fell to the Mujahideen. That is beside the point though.

"36% of people polled know the US did 9/11." No, 36% of the people THINK they know that the US government did 9/11. Just tells smarter people that 36% of the people are retarded. The Monica scandal was a coverup you dummy but it still leaked despite only a few people knowing about it. Yet you think a cover up consisting of 1000s would stay under wraps?... I suppose the moon landing was faked to. LOL... I'm done with you...
Posted by BirdieMachine 7 months ago
BirdieMachine
Bored- And who was fighting and training the Mujahadeen? The USA dummy. You think that the cavemen had any shot without our help and ground to air rocket launcher tech? Our friend Bin Laden helped us defeat the Soviets. Then when the Taliban took over the Afghan Central Bank the US had to go in for the Bankers and take it back.

36% of people polled know the US did 9/11. so factor 100 million people know the truth. So what? Does that stop the Wars in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Turkey, Libya, Somalia, etc.

The Gov and Media decide what they will cover, they decided to cover Bill and Monica. So what? Doesn't mean squat. Just means that Hillary is Old and wrinkled and Old Bill is a scumbag.
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Vote Placed by KRTxBallistic 7 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro never showed how the plan was evil, and did not explain what Operation Northwoods proposed. Pro also implys the U.S. President was assassinated for rejecting the plan, but Pro gives no evidence for this. Con said the plan was rejected, as did pro. Pro then gives examples of the U.S. doing good.
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Reasons for voting decision: The debate was intended to show that operation Northwoods proves that the American government conspires against it's own people, and is therefore evil. Con brought up a lot of irrelevant points, and does not address the original argument other than the plan was rejected, so it cannot be evil, failing to address the point pro brings up about the president's (the one who rejected the plan) assassination. This assassination probably paved the road for future presidents, and their complacency with any further false flags.
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Reasons for voting decision: As con pointed out, pro's argument was entirely self defeating. Pro said evil because they rejected an evil plan (his entire argument)... con further added a historical framework of many good things the government has done, basically behaving as a paladin of a nation, saving the world time and again, feeding the hungry, ect ect.