The Instigator
Grape
Con (against)
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191 Points
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Ishida52134
Pro (for)
Losing
7 Points

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/28/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,856 times Debate No: 11005
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Grape

Con

I challenge Ishida52134 to debate me on any topic. I feel he has often treated his opponents on debate.org rudely and has insulting their debating abilities unfairly. If he has to behave this way he must at least have some debating ability of his own. Thus I challenge him to debate me on ANY topic, no matter how one sided or absurd. If I win I would expect he will apologize to others.
Ishida52134

Pro

Topic is: Killing someone is bad.
and you must prove that it is right to kill someone.
Debate Round No. 1
Grape

Con

Thanks to my opponent for foolishly accepting my challenge. I would like to remain voters to note when voting on conduct that despite the condescending tone of my argument I do not swear at or insult my opponent.

Now, I have to prove that it is right to kill someone.

Definition of someone:

someone - a person, somebody (http://dictionary.reference.com...)

A person could refer to anyone from the set of all individuals known as persons.

To win this debate I need to provide an example of when killing a person would not be bad. My opponents resolution specifically refers to any one person and not people in general.

Robert Mugabe is the dictator of Zimbabwe. He has driven his country into the ground, leading the poverty and starvation. He also allowed ethnic cleansing to take place under his rule. Furthermore, he uses violence against political enemies seeking the better life for people in Zimbabwe. If he were killed, it is highly likely that life would greatly improve for many people. Therefore, killing him would not be bad. (http://www.parade.com...)

I have successful provided an example of when killing someone (that someone being Robert Mugabe) would not be bad. Resolution negated.
Ishida52134

Pro

Any way you see it, killing is morally wrong. Instead of killing him, you should put him in jail. According to the ten commandments, thy shall not kill.
argument resolved
-peace
Debate Round No. 2
Grape

Con

Thanks to my opponent for actually providing something which resembles a rebuttal.

"Any way you see it, killing is morally wrong."

Actually, I just presented a way I see that killing would not be morally wrong.

"Instead of killing him, you should put him in jail."

I am not debating between killing him and putting him in jail. This debate is not about whether killing someone is worse than sending them to jail; sending him to jail was in fact never on the table. I am debating between killing him and letting him go about his merry way. In a utilitarian sense killing him is obviously the better moral choice. (1) Therefore it is not bad.

"According to the ten commandments, thy shall not kill."

It's actually "You shall not murder." (2) Murder means 'to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.' (3) As long as he was not killed in a what that was inhumane, it would not be murder. Bringing down a brutal dictator is hardly barbarous. And that's assuming we even accept that the Ten Commandments are an absolute moral law, which I do not.

Conclusion:

I have proven that killing Robert Mugabe would not be bad. My opponent has failed to negate my arguments favoring this. Robert Mugabe is someone. Therefore the resolution 'Killing someone is bad' is false.

Sources:

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org...
(2) http://www.biblegateway.com...
(3) http://dictionary.reference.com...
Ishida52134

Pro

therefore you should learn to debate in real life you
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by BenJamyn 6 years ago
BenJamyn
well i think the Pro side just completely lost...nice job con
Posted by Spaztoid 6 years ago
Spaztoid
Very true.
Posted by True2GaGa 6 years ago
True2GaGa
All my points go to Con.
Posted by Grape 6 years ago
Grape
Spaztoid: "By limiting yourself to a single individual, a decent opponent can easily off set your argument with a broader more relevant and significant argument based solely on your definitions."

Totally agreed good sir. However, the key words here were "decent opponent." Anyone with a shred of common sense would have chosen a self-fulfilling resolution and I wouldn't have had a chance.
Posted by Spaztoid 6 years ago
Spaztoid
Well, I commend the basic idea of the argument, challenging an individual to chose a topic no matter how one sided to prove your ability to debate, however I do not agree with your reasons for debating him. Anyway, your debate was well played, however I would suggest using a broader ideological stance if you enter into a similar debate. By limiting yourself to a single individual, a decent opponent can easily off set your argument with a broader more relevant and significant argument based solely on your definitions.
Posted by SexyLatina 6 years ago
SexyLatina
XD

Yeah, but he was a character! Oh, you classicists. Always trying to perfect things.
Posted by Grape 6 years ago
Grape
He's been banned. Doesn't reflect well on our voting system that he has 7 points though.
Posted by SexyLatina 6 years ago
SexyLatina
Why do you all want him gone?
Posted by Kinesis 6 years ago
Kinesis
LOL all his rounds have had the obscenities edited out.
Posted by Grape 6 years ago
Grape
I noticed his reponses in this debate him been censored.
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Reasons for voting decision: I am going to join the necro-voting in order to jack up my voting numbers!
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Reasons for voting decision: Interesting how the first real votes are only being cast now after months and months of votebombing. Pro provided no rebuttal and only wrote a couple of sentences whereas Con gave a detailed argument and rebuttal. True we should not kill someone, but it is also true that we should not kill debates. Pro committed a moral wrong killing this one so Con wins.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro seems willing to insult others of their ability to debate and yet is unable to debate at all.
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