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YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod
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CASmnl42
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Oppositional defiance disorder is a fictional disorder created by statists who want to control peopl

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Started: 6/23/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod

Pro

Free thought is not a disorder. There is nothing wrong with examining a variety of ideas, and forming an independently logice conclusion. It is unhealthy the way statists want to control people. Again, free thought is not a disorder. Everyone has the right to believe what they want.
CASmnl42

Con

Oppositional defiance disorder ("ODD") is a clinical disorder defined in the DSM V according to specific diagnostic criteria, which includes a pattern of angry and irritable mood, argumentative and defiant behavior, or vindictiveness lasting more than six months and having a serious negative impact on social and academic functioning. [1] The disorder has been linked to genetic factors, prenatal smoking, and other biological / neurological risk factors. [2] In this way, it is no more "fictional" than any of the disorders categorized by the DSM, like learning disorders or PTSD.

ODD has nothing to do with "statists." There are no laws restricting the freedoms of people with ODD; no mandatory treatment. To the extent any treatment is necessary, it mostly involves therapy. [3] Nobody uses ODD as a way to "control" anybody. In addition, ODD is mostly diagnosed in children and adolescents. [1] If ODD was a "statist" conspiracy, it'd be a poor one - you'd think the "statists" would want to go after people who can vote and exercise political power.

My opponent doesn't talk about ODD at all in his argument, but only about "free thought" and "examining a variety of ideas." I agree! Free thought is not a disorder, and everyone should be (and, you know, is) free to examine their own beliefs and form new ones. But ODD has nothing to do with free thought or expressing unconventional opinions. It's about a particular symptom set that makes it difficult for some people to succeed in academic and social contexts. People with ODD may be politically radical or completely conventional; it has no bearing on the diagnosis. Treatment for ODD - which again, is therapy, and voluntary - would only make it easier for someone to succeed in social contexts. Presumably, this means that people with unconventional opinions would become better and more effective at communicating their ideas and putting them into action.

No one is stopping people with ODD from believing whatever they want. No one is using ODD as a fig leaf for "control." No "statist" bogeymen are hiding in the hallways of psychiatric offices to send people with ODD to re-education camps. It's just a childhood psychiatric disorder, and children with it benefit from seeking therapy to correct it.

[1] http://www.mayoclinic.org...
[2] http://www.aafp.org...
[3] http://www.mayoclinic.org...
Debate Round No. 1
YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod

Pro

The DSM also used to say that homosexuality was a sin, does that mean that it is?
CASmnl42

Con

My opponent has again failed to post any argument actually supporting the resolution, and has pivoted (weirdly) to homosexuality, which has nothing to do with ODD.

In any event, the DSM never listed homosexuality as a "sin." "Sin" is a religious concept, not a medical one. At one point, the DSM listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder. That diagnosis was removed in 1973 as studies of human sexual behavior demonstrated homosexuality to be a natural part of the spectrum of human sexual expression. [1] That is the nature of all science; revisions are made as new studies and new information lead to better understanding of how the world operates.

But again, none of this has anything to do with whether ODD is "fictional," "created by statists," or used to "control people." It would be nice if my opponent would make an argument, any argument at all, supporting any one of those central contentions.

[1] http://www.aglp.org...
Debate Round No. 2
YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod

Pro

You are wrong. Homosexuality did used to be in the DSM, a long time ago. Just because something is inthe DSM, does not mean that it is an actual disorder. Fact: There is nothing wrong with liberty of thought. Liberty of thought is not a disorder.
CASmnl42

Con

My opponent has added nothing of substance in Round 3 which I have not already refuted above. But, to repeat myself:

1) I agreed with you that homosexuality used to be in the DSM - I just disagreed that it was a "sin" in the DSM, since the DSM does not catalog "sins"

2) The DSM is certainly open to revision as we learn and study more, as it was when it eliminated homosexuality as a disorder. That does not make ODD "fictional." Even if it did, that doesn't mean it was "created by statists who want to control people," which is a ridiculous claim for which you've adduced no evidence.

3) Agreed, liberty of thought is not a disorder. But ODD does not pathologize "liberty of thought." You can have all the off-the-wall opinions you want, and it won't lead to a diagnosis of ODD. You can have completely conventional opinions and be diagnosed with ODD. ODD has nothing to do with what a person believes, but with chronic exhibitions of anger, vindictiveness, and defiance. Those behaviors are not the same as "freedom of thought"

My opponent has yet to advance a single argument in support of the actual contentions of the resolution, which is that ODD is "fictional" and "created by statists" as a means of "control."
Debate Round No. 3
YeshuaIsTheOneTrueGod

Pro

Yes I have. I added the FACT that free thought is not a disorder. I will say it again: Free thought is not a disorder. What people think is their right. Obediance to authority is a vice, not a virtue.
CASmnl42

Con

Well, my opponent and I agree that free thought is not a disorder. The DSM also agrees with us, because it doesn't list free thought as a disorder. Why my opponent thinks ODD has anything to do with "free thought," I guess we'll never know. My opponent hasn't given a single argument to support the resolution. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by F-16_Fighting_Falcon 1 year ago
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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>Reported vote: ThatChristianGuy// Mod action: Removed<

7 points to Con. Reasons for voting decision: Welp, Pro barely participated and Con made sense.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) No explanation for conduct, S&G, sources. (2) Lack of specifics for arguments.
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