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Order 66?

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Started: 2/6/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Nihilus

Pro

A we all may know, the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy are full of politics. One of which is Order 66, where all the Clone troopers turned against the Jedi. Should there be any need for a command like this in the United States, or in any other country? What would it be for? Who would have the power to issue this command?
Bahamute619

Con

I am not sure of pro’s argument based on the formatting, however I will assume I am to argue against the following: Countries need contingency plans that allow lethal removal of a group that acts against the established government.

l state that, based solely on the written history of Order 66 and current Star Wars literature, a contingency plan should never be enacted by any country as it will only allow for a dictatorship or totalitarian system and eventually war.

A. Code 66 was a conspiracy to eradicate an order of peacekeepers (Jedi).

1. The code was hidden from both the members of Jedi order and the senate.

Code 66, as well as the initiation and production of clone army was issued by Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas, whom was under the influence of Sith (Dark version of Jedi) [4]. The code was hidden from the Jedi council, and it did not require authentication when issued. In fact there was a case where clone trooper 5385 (aka Tup) killed Jedi master Tiplar from confusion with the code and a biochip. The incident was covered up, further showing it was a code with malice.

2. The code was counter intuitive to the voting nature of the government process of the Republic.

Code 66, skips all all chain of command, as long as the order comes from the commander of the grand army of the republic (GAR), which in the case that it was issued belonged to the power of supreme chancellor [1]. The sole purpose of the plan is to remove the Jedi, by lethal force, for acts against the interest of the republic and give GAR power to the supreme commander (chancellor), whom is the only one that can issue the command without approval from the senate and house of representatives [2]. Thus, the code clearly bypasses the voting or checks and balance of the republic, allowing for 1 person to have total command over the entire republic military [3]. This means that an entire group can be executed without trial or substantial evidence of acts against the republic. It also means that if the republic were to disagree with the order it could still be executed.

B. There is no force currently present or relevant to the near future that would justify the initiation of Code 66.

1. The Jedi were not a military force, but instead acted as in field commanders, negotiators and keepers of the galactic peace [5].

An equivalent to the Jedi in reality would be somewhere between a sacred religious order and knights of peace. It is true that they have the right to kill, which many have done, in order to keep peace. They also help advance troops and occupations that are in violation of the republic’s mandates and government issues, in order to reach a forced treaty. However, the Jedi would not be considered militant in any way. they were not mercenaries for hire. In order for a contingency plan to include excessive force for any group in reality, that group would have to be extremely powerful and potentially cause casualties to those acting upon the order [1].

C. No single person should have the sole responsibility of a destructive order.

1. Many countries have a separation of power as well as checks and balances [6].

I will constrict my argument’s examples to that of the united states, since that is where I live. In the united states there are 3 branches of government. These three branches each have ways of taking action against an action or political practice of the other two branches [7,8]. In the case of military the executive branch (president) has the power to mobilize and utilize military. However, the declaration of war and invasion of some countries relies in the power of the legislative branch.

Now in the case of Star Wars, the Republic is a democracy [9]. The supreme chancellor, which was the position held by Palpatine (aka Darth Sidious), was most closely related to the executive branch of the United States [10]. Given this, the President/Commander in Chief would be the person to execute a contingency plan similar to order 66. Since, as stated above, in reality we only have military organizations, the execution of order 66 by the President would be an act of war, according to 18 U.S. Code § 2331, which would be in violation of the current checks and balances in the United States [11].

2. Nuclear contingency plans have established checks on authorization and deployment of weapons of mass destruction to avoid unwarranted conflict.

In brief, the deployment of nuclear weaponry as an act of war requires a checking system, also known as the two-man rule [12], which requires, not only the president but the next highest ranking officer to relinquish their personal codes and confirm the order [13]. This was a control system placed to make sure that one person could not jeopardize the safety of the nation. In Star Wars, the executive order for code 66 did not have a mechanism for rescindication. On the other hand, there is a waiting period for rescindication for nuclear strike between the time codes and orders are re-verified.

Summary:
Order 66 was biased plan to issue one person supreme rule of government, thus leading to a dictatorship.
No group in reality has the capabilities and organization similar to Jedi that would justify a lethal execution of the entire group, thus a contingency plan would be unnecessary.
The republic works similar to government therefore the closest person to authorize order 66 would be the leader of an executive branch or the commander in chief.
Execution of a contingency plan without legislative approval would be in violation of democratic checks and balances.
In the case of contingency plans for devastating attacks with weapons of mass destruction the commander in chief cannot alone execute the authorization of said weapons, therefore an order 66 protocol would be in violation of established operations and control.

Sources

1. http://starwars.wikia.com...
2. http://starwars.wikia.com...
3. http://starwars.wikia.com...
4. http://starwars.wikia.com...
5. http://starwars.wikia.com...
6. http://www.usconstitution.net...
7. http://americanhistory.about.com...
8. http://www.usconstitution.net...
9. http://starwars.wikia.com...
10. http://starwars.wikia.com...
11. http://www.law.cornell.edu...
12. http://en.wikipedia.org...
13. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 1
Nihilus

Pro

Nihilus forfeited this round.
Bahamute619

Con

I cannot make any further arguments or rebuttal so I pass this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Nihilus

Pro

Nihilus forfeited this round.
Bahamute619

Con

I guess it was over before I started.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Bahamute619 2 years ago
Bahamute619
This is my first debate, thanks Nihilus. Also voters, please do not be too harsh with the formatting, I am still trying to figure it out and I already saw some mistakes.
Posted by Nihilus 2 years ago
Nihilus
@tbischel , I see what you are saying and it can kind of relate to this. However, we're talking in a political sense.
Posted by tbischel 2 years ago
tbischel
Valkyrie?
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