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creationtruth
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Badman
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Original Sin

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Started: 9/12/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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creationtruth

Con

The position I will be arguing for is that sin originates not from Adam but from self. I do not believe we inherit a sin nature nor are we born depraved with the guilt of Adam's sin on our account.

Round 1 - Acceptance
Round 2 - Opening Arguments (No Rebuttals)
Round 3 - Rebuttals/Defense of Arguments
Badman

Pro

Adam ate the apple but didn't swallow.

Eve did swallow but didn't eat... ;)
Debate Round No. 1
creationtruth

Con

creationtruth forfeited this round.
Badman

Pro

hahaha, the human species has spawned!
Debate Round No. 2
creationtruth

Con

Sorry don't have the time to finish the debate. What's up with your responses?
Badman

Pro

4feit4lyfe
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
creationtruth: He was the firstborn. There was a second and third and fourth, and so on. There were over 3000 just on the day of Pentecost.The new birth was now in the earth.A new and better covenant between God and man.Every time a man, I am talking about mankind, women too,accepts Jesus as Lord he/she is reborn and becomes a child of the most high. No longer subject to sin, sickness, demons and fear. All we have to do now is mature and walk in that covenant, like Jesus did.And all those things will not come near us.

Do you know enough bible to realize I did not make all this up. Your name implies you should.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
Original sin, or the origin of sin. Sin originated actually in Lucifer,or satan.When he tried to use faith to overthrow God.When he said, " I will exalt my authority above the authority of the most high, I will be as the most high.That is the origin of sin. It was found in him.Then when God created Adam, an actual son,satan saw an opportunity to once again be as the most high. If he could talk Adam into rejecting the word of god and accept his words, then he would put the crown of dominion on the Adam now had.And it succeeded.Now Adam took on the same inner attributes as satan. Spiritual death.Because by accepting the word of satan he was now covenanted to satan.They became one as before Adam and God were one.And that act of treason was far reaching. Everything that Adam had dominion over was now cursed. The ground. The animals, Everything. Even the seed of all mankind that was in his loins.

Now if spiritual death had not corrupted all mankind, then there would have been no need for Jesus to die and pay the price for man's redemption.This is where Christianity began. When God said to satan, " I will send One who will strip you of the authority you have .That is a bit of a loose translation, but it is short and true.Jesus came,became sin with man's sin suffered for those three days, and because he had never sinned, he was there illegally. Then God declared in the high courts of justice the price was paid, and God cried out, "LET HIM FREE, LET HIM GO, THE PRICE HAS BEEN PAID." And this sin de[plted spirit began to grow and he that was once sin was now the firstborn of many brothers. The first born from death to life.Now God had a new covenant to place in the very bowels of the domain of hell. He took from satan the authority Adam gave him and took the keys of death hell and the grave.He was raised FAR above every principality and dominion and every name that is named.Not only in this world but in the one to come. Jesus was now a reborn man.
Posted by Emilirose 2 years ago
Emilirose
"Original sin" would imply innate sin. People are susceptible to sin but this does not mean they've inherited other sins (namely Adam and Eve's) We're born pure, not stricken.
Posted by creationtruth 2 years ago
creationtruth
I am arguing against the Augustinian doctrine of original sin which states that we inherit a sin nature from Adam and that children are born fallen, depraved sinners by virtue of being Adam's descendant. It seems that this is what you believe but if there is any confusion let me know.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
.Because of the law of geneses, everything will reproduce after its own kind.When spiritual death was lodged in Adam, he passed spiritual death to all men.That is why I have never met a child yet that if no discipline in their lives always leans toward rebellion.Why else would Jesus go to the cross. If Adam's actions did not pass an inherited trait to all mankind.
Romans 8:2. For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.The very definition of a law is it works every time.The only one that law was not passed down to was Jesus. Because he did not have an earthly father.
Posted by philochristos 2 years ago
philochristos
You should probably give a definition for "original sin" just to avoid something accepting, then discovering that you were talking about two different things. Jonathan Edwards defined it like this:

"BY Original Sin as the phrase has been most commonly used by divines, is meant the innate sinful depravity of the heart. But yet when the doctrine of original sin is spoken of, it is vulgarly understood in that latitude, which includes not only the depravity of nature, but the imputation of Adam"s first sin; or, in other words, the liableness or exposedness of Adam"s posterity, in the divine judgment, to partake of the punishment of that sin."

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net...
Posted by creationtruth 2 years ago
creationtruth
I should state that the Bible is my final authority for all matters of faith and practice, not church "fathers" or creeds.
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