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padfo0t
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Solarman1969
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Ostracism should be put to effect at high schools. (Given that 70% of votes are needed).

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Started: 9/18/2008 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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padfo0t

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I believe -for example- that in Happy High School there are 10,000 students and faculty. Nobody likes Bob. During the ostracism 7000 people vote against Bob and Bob is bannished from Happy High School.
This is an example of what I think should be effective in private High Schools.
Thanks.
Solarman1969

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Well, I think your point is interesting, and I will take the argument, even though that I tend to agree

What I will say to argue first, is that children are required to be in public school, or to be homeschooled.

Thus, one cannot just vote someone out because you dont "like them"

That being said, I think there is discipline problems in our public schools, becuase teachers are unable to properly dismiss behavorial problems in some cases.

Bad actors should not be allowed to take away the opportunity for other kids to learn.

But again, in high school, if everyone who had someone who didnt like them was thrown out- there would only be like 2 kids left out of a couple thousand

thus is the nature of high school kids
Debate Round No. 1
padfo0t

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First I would like to thank you for taking the time to read this debate and vote on it and I hope the voters realize who is a better debater and do not vote obased on their own opinions.
OK. You stated <<<"children are required to be in public school, or to be homeschooled.">>>

That is wrong because there are several other types of high school education that I do not feel like listing at the moment. I myself go to a Private school and that must not be an actual school according to you.

You also statedn <<<"Thus, one cannot just vote someone out because you dont "like them"">>>
I never said that a single person could 'bannish' someone else. As I explained before, it would take a total of 70% to vote a person out of your school.

Your third statement was <<< "I think there is discipline problems in our public schools, becuase teachers are unable to properly dismiss behavorial problems in some cases.">>>
It is not the duty of the teachers to "dismiss" behavioral problems. If said problem was to come up, it is the teachers' job to create a just punishment (whether a verbal warning or a suspension) as to keep said distraction from distracting the class any further. If the situation goes out of hand, further authorities may intervine, but discipline is, in most cases, a daily for many teachers.

I do believe you have called some teachers "bad actors", and that is true. Some people are bad actors while some are terrific ones, such as my friend.

You later said: <<<"if everyone who had someone who didnt like them was thrown out- there would only be like 2 kids left out of a couple thousand">>>

You infer that just because you dislike someone, they will get voted out. Again, to keep justice in the system I need to remind you that 70% IS NEEDED. I do not like a person by the name of Jud L------, but he would not get ostracized because of his number of friend (somehow).

Now onto my own points.

1 It would be extremely difficult to vote someone out based on you plain dislike of them.*
*There are four grades in most high schools, and sometimes there is someone who is hated by many of the grade. Even if all the grade where to vote for that person, they would not get voted out because a grade only makes up about 20% of a high school population.
2 People who are a great distraction and a great worry to the whole community would be dismissed.^
^ Some people are just too much of a distraction to keep in school. If this person was affecting a great majority of people learning experiances, then it is just that they should be voted and and they most likely would.
3 Ostracisms are a private way to dismiss someone.#
# As many people know, it is very hard to go up to a dean/counciler/teacher to complain about someone's distracting ways. In an ostracism, the vote is private and you do not feel the least bit guilty about it.

As you can see there are clear benefits to osracisms in high schools.
Cheerio.
Solarman1969

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Solarman1969 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
padfo0t

Pro

Given that Solarman has not posted his argument in white letters, my argument still remains with no given opposition.
Tofu!
Solarman1969

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Solarman1969 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Rob1Billion 7 years ago
Rob1Billion
kids aren't given adult privileges for a reason. They are often cruel, impulsive, and ignorant. Giving hem a chance to "vote" in this fashion would only be a popularity contest.
Posted by padfo0t 8 years ago
padfo0t
I can't believe that people vote based on their own personal opinions!
Posted by padfo0t 8 years ago
padfo0t
duh, there IS no rebuttal :)
Posted by sagarous 8 years ago
sagarous
Sadly, solarman1969 has not given rebuttals to the latter two arguments.
Posted by padfo0t 8 years ago
padfo0t
They would not be the ones deciding because it is everyone's decision (not just theirs).
The only way you'd be effected negetively is if you got voted out and if you did you probably would deserve it, then you would need to learn to be better at life.
Posted by Sweatingjojo 8 years ago
Sweatingjojo
Says me.

I don't want my peers making decisions on how the school I go to functions. They'll mess it up, reducing its quality.
Posted by padfo0t 8 years ago
padfo0t
says who?
Posted by Sweatingjojo 8 years ago
Sweatingjojo
Running a school in a pseudo-democratic fashion would be lead to a massive decline in quality of education.
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