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brontoraptor
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Imbster
Con (against)

Other gods are meaningless to Christianity.

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Started: 7/11/2016 Category: Religion
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brontoraptor

Pro

I will be arguing that the argument by atheists,"Why don't you worship other gods" is pointless, easily refuted, and logically explainable. Accept or go ahead and start in first round. I don't care either way.
Imbster

Con

As a Catholic,13 year old and someone who studied well the atheist point of view,dear sir please cite whoever said that. More than we are concerned about people who believe in God and people who don't,that's a basic atheist. They stand for why it's more rational to be atheist. We don't only talk about Christianity but many other religions there's even Jediism. The way you used Christianity in the debate topic is wide generalization. First of all do you know every Christian on this earth. Second do you even know why some Christians would convert to Islam. Since you used Christianity I'm guess your referring to the religion itself and this religion implements no other god matters. Isn't that what some other religions implement too? Hell we don't even know the whole truth. We don't know whose religion is right. Which religion will bring all its believers to paradise. If other gods are meaningless to Christianity then Christianity just lost its respect for other religions. This is exactly why atheists are rational,they don't destroy lives just to believe in something. Hell there's one Christian school who discriminated only one atheist. This atheist was kicked out by his own Christian family. Dumped by his own Christian friends. How much war would wage if every Christian shouts out loud"Hey other gods are meaningless!!!"As much as we have the right to criticize any religion,to stand up for own religion it's just much better to have peace to accept the system of this world and wait for judgement day. "The whole truth is a mystery but our beliefs strengthen information" how are you even claiming this when Buddhism was the first religion and not Christianity?
Debate Round No. 1
brontoraptor

Pro

"how are you even claiming this when Buddhism was the first religion and not Christianity?"

Buddhism is nontheistic. It claims no creator, but is simply a way of life attributed to the Buddha. Buddha was not a god nor claimed to be a god. Buddhism rejects the concept of a creator deity

https://www.quora.com...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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-Why the Atheist argument,"Why don't you worship other gods" never holds water logically to a theologically based Christian-

Deuteronomy 4:19
"And when you look up to the sky and see the SUN the MOON and the STARS--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has created."

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The symbols of Satanism are a star, the sun, and the crescent moon. It even shares the identical crescent moon and star as Islam.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org...

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com...

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ISLAM-

The star and crescent moon are the symbol of Islam

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

When 666 was written in Greek in the New Testament, it was stated as a mystery, a number and yet a name of the "beast", a meaning to not be revealed until the "end times". Today we know that 666 in Greek is "In the name of Allah" in Arabic, the language of Islam.

(Short Video of Walid Shoebat, ex Muslim saying he was dismayed when he saw the numbers 666 in Greek the first time because they read Arabic to him. "In the name of Allah".

http://youtu.be...

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According to Islam, their infallable prophet Muhammed, was demon possessed as a child, and then later claimed he got his revelation from a demon in a cave who "pressed him". It bothered him so much that he decided to fling himself off of a cliff, but he was stopped by this being in order to put forth its (demonic) revelation. The religion also claims that Muhammed gave a "false revelation" once that was enduced by Satan, but had to later retract it once this was discovered...

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

http://www.answering-islam.org...

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Adolph Hitler Axis of Evil-

Adolph Hotler envoked The Hindu symbol, the swastika (representing the sun)as the symbol of the Nazis. He met with the Grand Mufti (of Islam), praised Islam and quoted Islamic concepts. He trashed Christianity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

http://www.wsj.com...

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HINDUISM-

"Lord" Shiva is represented by? The crescent moon.

Kali ma? Crescent moon (demon god). Represented wielding a knife and holding bloody, severed heads.

Krishna nicknamed "the dark one".

Kamsa (a demon god).

Ravan (demon king)

http://hinduism.stackexchange.com...

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In reality, outside of Hinduism(which is quickly being replaced by Islam), there is only one God claimed, the God of Abraham. Over 90% of theists claim belief in the God of Abraham. Seeing Hinduism is quickly being phased out, it won't be long before essentially all theists on Earth will worship the God of Abraham or no god at all. The third largest "belief system" is "nontheism".

http://m.huffpost.com...

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But what about ancient religions?

Roman gods were represented by the same Satanic symbols.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...(mythology)

Egyptian gods? The same.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

http://m.touregypt.net...

Babylonian gods? The same.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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And this why the atheist argument of "why don't Christians worship other gods" is a weak atheistic argument.

1)Almost all theists on Earth claim the God of Abraham.

2)Hinduism serves a plethera of demon gods and is being quickly phased out by Islam.

3)Non-Christian religions use symbols forbidden in Christianity, the same symbols used to represent Satan.

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http://iskconeducationalservices.org...

*Revelation 13:8(Christian Bible)

biblehub.com/revelation/13-18.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...(number)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

http://historel.tripod.com...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...(demon)

*The Noble Quran

http://m.washingtontimes.com...
Imbster

Con

Again who is the exact atheist who said this? Our only argument is why believe in a God that's the whole meaning of the name we are given;one who lacks belief in the existence of gods or God. That whole meaning doesn't mean we disrespect other religions we just don't see the point why praise God for turning on the faucet and water comes out. Some things are rationally explainable by us ATHEISTS take a look at this

http://www.kanyetothe.com...

Now I've seen another debate somewhere challenging that we think we are the guardians of rationality and I say why not?Scientists need their scientific method to confirm something all we need is our logic to know or believe something and we sound smart for that.
You don't dare underestimate me being religiously educated for 6 years rebelling on the 6th year and to which my rebellion gave me great thinking and I got a Bible at my side.
Bear this word "Hypocrite" my dear opponent. Deuteronomy 4:19 is under a headline 'Danger of Idolatry' it's not only those gods that are 'false idols' according to your perception!but the people you Christians look up to more than your own God!Ye have broken your own first commandment!"I am Lord your God. You shall not have other gods besides me"You are taking the commandments literally when the 8th commandment actually warns about EVERY form of LYING as an OFFENSE against it. Proof why this is all true?I studied the 10 commandments for one year,our teacher taught this for ONE YEAR giving us wisdom and enlightenment to take it figuratively and literally at the same time. Let me tell you Idolatry according to my Christian life book:
Idolatry-the substitution of someone or something else for God like,when people seek ways to manipulate events for their self-interest like fortune telling,superstitious beliefs,magic,sorcery,witchcraft,Satanism,astrology,etc.,and WHEN PEOPLE engage in unknown powers that FASCINATE the mind,like strange SPIRITS and GHOSTS. All these THINGS might lead us to LOSE our FOCUS on JESUS CHRIST.

You claim that that exact atheistic argument is weak which I should not even care about cause I don't say that nor have questioned that to a Christian but the fact that YOU are making claims that other religions/gods are SATANIC just to prove that argument is frustrating to me and to prove that God is the superior one and is the only one. Are you taking pride(exalting oneself beyond what is due and true) in claiming that other gods are satanic and that your God is not?Look here buddy,I can look at a tree and see a crescent moon and shout to my neighbours the tree is satanic and I'd end up in a mental hospital. These websites,your sources,your supports or proof can only just be a mere logical/illogical interpretation of one's god. I can make a website right now claiming how everything and anything is satanic some would believe some would not some would even laugh at me.
Now let's both go back to the 8th commandment"Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor". I'm not saying your completely wrong, I'm saying you are not completely right.
Let's look at some offenses I'd like to highlight and point out
1.careless lying-lies told that are unverified;the liar distorts situations within the community.
1.half truths-truth is twisted or slanted
Serious offenses:
Tale bearing-Telling of untrue stories to be esteemed by them
The most important part of the damn commandment:
"We must also remember that not everyone has a right to know everything we know,especially if the persons concerned are indiscreet or the knowledge would harm them. Serving the truth is always first of all serving others. We judge whether or not it is appropriate to remain silent about what need not be known. Common reasons would be the GOOD and SECURITY of others,RESPECT for their PRIVATE LIVES,or the AVOIDANCE of SCANDAL."
Is it true?
Is it necessary?
Is it kind?
I am proud to have seen and studied many views of many religions and yet is an atheist so do not confuse yourself. I'm here for truth and the history of religion years ago. All I want is every professor of each main religion go sit down and discuss the damn history and what really happened years ago. Again with everything said,you do not trample on other religions because I as an atheist don't. I'm supposed to be harassing religions right to everyone who's viewing this?No. I, like many want truth and as long as the truth is a complete mystery and we can only add our opinions and conclusions to make viewable and readable information STRONG,then there is no CONCRETE truth yet when it comes to religion. But there is an ABSOLUTE truth for any religion and that is Faith.
Debate Round No. 2
brontoraptor

Pro

Con:
"Again who is the exact atheist who said this?"

("Why is your God the correct God")

http://www.debate.org...

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Con:
"You don't dare underestimate me being religiously educated for 6 years REBELLING on the 6th year and to which my REBELLION gave me great thinking and I got a Bible at my side."

(2 Thessalonians 2:3)(Speaking of the end times)
"Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs."

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Con:
"Scientists need their scientific method to confirm something all we need is our logic to know or believe something and we sound smart for that."

1)Atheism was a view held by almost no one until the "New Atheist Movement". The core argument of this movement was Darwinian Evolution. Darwinian Evolution goes against the fossil record evidence. Darwin himself said that the fossil record was the enemy of his theory.

http://www.evolutionnews.org...

The Cambrian explosion and fossils out of order were components against the theory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

http://www.nature.com...

Richard Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion" once said that we did not need the fossil record as a last ditch effort to use Darwinism to hold up his militant atheist worldview.

http://www.darwinthenandnow.com...

Darwinists claim that 80,000 pound whales came from hooved hyenas.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com...

Creatures 100 millions years old caught in amber look exactly as they do today. No change of any kind over 100 millions years.

http://www.livescience.com...

http://scribol.com...

2)Darwinism has never been tested, observed, or witnessed, meaning it does not even acheive the bare minimum of the scientific method.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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The "New Atheist Movement" happened only recently in history. With it Dawkins used Darwinism like a mantra to prove atheism. Notic that not that long ago nearly all of the U.S. believed in a god. "Belief in God" Numbers didn't go down until Darwinism was shoved down childrens' throats as fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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Nevertheless, this is about why "other gods" are arbitrary to Christianity.

Without Hinduism, there actually are no other gods being claimed by hardly anyone, anywhere. And...Hinduism is shrinking into nothing. So when Hinduism disappears completely, as appears to be the case, the God of Abraham will be the only claimed god on planet Earth. Interestingly this is what the Bible said would happen.

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Con:
"All these THINGS might lead us to LOSE our FOCUS on JESUS CHRIST."

Con can't "lose your focus on Jesus Christ". Con claimed to be an Atheist in his/her first dialogue.

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Con:
"the fact that YOU are making claims that other religions/gods are SATANIC just to prove that argument is frustrating to me."

It shouldn't. If Con is an Atheist there is no Satan to Con, nor any meaning to the word "Satan".

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Con:
"I can make a website right now claiming how everything and anything is satanic some would believe some would not some would even laugh at me."

They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers, and even Albert Einstein. Guess who got the last laugh.

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Con:
"I, like many want truth."

(John 17:7)
"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth."

(John 14:6)(Jesus Christ)
"I am the way, the truth, and the life."

If Con truely wants the truth, Con is welcome to watch this short video and explain to us why this other God should be considered by me.

Kali ma, Hindu Queen Goddess of the Crescent moon. She is represented with a sword and the severed heads of her prey with dripping blood.

http://youtu.be...

Remember, Hinduism is the only actual major religion presenting any "god" other than the "God of Abraham".

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all claim the God of Abraham. These 3 religions combined make up nearly all of Theism with Hinduism being a small theist minority. Other "gods" really are no threat because there really are no other gods presented other than Hinduism, and Hinduism is well...Check it out for yourself...

Kali Worship-

http://youtu.be...
Imbster

Con

Your religion,Christianity,has many contradictions. Using information you are giving let's go back to your story of creation. Your God made the Sun,the Stars and the Moon but I'm not a child about to shout right now 'SATANISM!'because according to your Bible all he made in 7 days 'is good' but they're not symbols! Why did God let you call them satanic symbols?Does your God give you right to feel superior over any religion?Why does God let deception happen?Isn't deception part of God's plan hmm?What was not in the 7 days?Angels?Satan?The Holy Spirit?You say 90% of theists believe in the God of Abraham when Theist means they don't believe in the Trinity but believe God governs and made all creation. Well I'm atheist but I have the constitutional right to mention 'satanic',yes I don't believe in heaven or hell because body plus breath equals soul. Since body is dead there is no soul to be brought up to heaven or bring down to hell and it certainly is absurd to think that heaven is water vapor in a form of clouds. So all you Christians can know this,in the book of revelations is about hell,the lake of fire where one's existence is completely erased and no eternal punishment. Satanic is not only used to link things with Satan but to extremely describe any evil. Again you point out I'm not atheist because of some terms and points when really I'm using YOUR info about YOUR God. Fight fire with fire. Do you know what your God likes to do in the old testament?Divine punishment. Let's all review why Moses was banned from promised land!Tell me what did your God really want?If I was a human commanding and leading them through the desert with miracles of food,water and snakes and then they slowly die one by one...And few is left have I made a wrong decision?It would be constitutionally immoral. Misleading and deceiving people. After a crazy command to speak to a rock in a desert and instead my favorite person strikes it. I tell him"Because you did not believe in me and you did not honor me before my holy people,you will not lead them into the land I will give them". I'd be stroked to death. But then again your God is all powerful hitting him in old testament never happened. Know this when you were created your God made you in his image and likeness,as capable as him and you were given free will...Free will...WHAT? Let's see how free will is described in the book of Job. Small summary:Once upon a time Satan visited heaven(how is that possible?),God bragged about his greatest follower,Job,"Hey!Look at Job!He has the greatest faith". Satan said,"He's only faithful because you give him abundance let me take from him and let us see". God said,"alright". And so a bet was made. Livestock killed,wives and children dead. Let's just say God won the bet and gave Job twice as much. What just happened... So you're going to tell me morality is only for humans? That your God is too all moral that he cannot commit immoral acts? One of the greatest killing sprees I've seen is the old testament. You know why you have the ability to kill cause God has it. Oh but wait God doesn't kill right?He tells his angels! Angel of death go and kill first born babies,leave doors with blood alone. Angel flood the whole earth. Angel destroy Sodom. With all this...I can relate God with Pilate. Who washed his hands to prove and state,he is not accountable for the death of Jesus. How is God the the source of goodness when he lets evil? This could just all amount to the fact there's no God then again that ain't the topic. And what about the famous line,"Everything is according to God's plan?". Not only does it violate free will but it is INSTANT JUSTIFICATION FOR MURDER. I know murder means a human killing another human so God can't commit murder but MAN CAN ACCORDING TO GOD'S PLAN. Instant Justification no.2-What's short years on earth to an eternity in heaven? Maybe those who offer themselves to God have no free will. How should we all know? God hasn't come down yet and answered atheist questions. God is all knowing they say,I say God doesn't know how lust feels like,but if he does know that means he's not all good. There is a very big difference about the portrayal of God in old and new testaments. But I find one similarity. Revelations and the whole old testament. Jesus said the father is loving,clearly not what happened in the book of job. So has God learned from his mistakes in the old testament then suddenly realizes 'Ah I need to divide the good and the bad'? Final point, why have I said all this?Am I trying to point YOUR God has no meaning?No all this time all these arguments give meaning to any god. But I'm not part of Christianity?Well simply,how many Christians are FASCINATED by GREEK and ROMAN gods even Egyptian gods. Watching Percy Jackson itself and seeing your 'favorite gods' do awesome things is giving meaning. Of course it's impractical right to scold someone for watching something fun? I'd be grinning at you when a Christian turns Atheist because his/her religion restricts many things and is object of 'depression' and concludes logical truth is better than religious truth. That doesn't mean we believe them! Yes but it means you give MEANING as a CHRISTIAN,you LIKE to SEE all the power,the origins and tales because your God cannot satisfy the thirst of 'abundance' for all Christians. You are fascinated by other gods whether proving them wrong or proving them right or enjoying their existence. For example I've studied Allah, he was a rock pagan god miles away from Jesus. I don't like it,I don't hate but I give it meaning. Note:
Meaningless-having no meaning or significance,having no purpose or reason
Just as you,Christian,find meaning in the most insignificant things and just as I too,so as your fellow Christians and everyone else in their own religions. There is meaning to everything even the word 'meaningless' has meaning according to many Dictionaries. If you interpret that others gods are satanic then you simply found and gave meaning to those gods. Whether the meaning you give is pointless or genius,it is still meaning.
Debate Round No. 3
brontoraptor

Pro

Con:
"Does your God give you right to feel superior over any religion?"

Which religion? Hinduism, where they worship a god who cuts off heads and squeals with delight while drinking their blood, or Islam who's leader professed himself demon possessed, commanded the slaughter of all nonmuslims, had sex with a 6 year old, and has followers commanded to meet at the haj and slaughter 3 million living camels, bulls, and goats in the largest bloodbath on Earth?

(Just a day at Haj, slitting camel throats)(video)

http://youtu.be...

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Con:
"Why does God let deception happen?"

Free will. Without it our love for Him is not real, but with it, many turn away by their own choice.

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Con:
"Theist means they don't believe in the Trinity but believe God governs and made all creation."

I think Con means "Monotheist". Theist simply believes in God(s). Trinitarians believe God governs and made creation.

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Con:
"I have the constitutional right to mention 'satanic'"

The same applies to me.

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Con:
"it certainly is absurd to think that heaven is water vapor in a form of clouds."

Most theists would agree with this.

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Con:
"Do you know what your God likes to do in the old testament?Divine punishment."

Same with your parents and you when you become a parent. It's a normal part of life.

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Con:
"Moses...Moses...Moses"

You do understand Moses is Judaism, the religion that Jesus challenged right? This is why Christians don't kill live animals, stone adulterers, or refrain from the 100 quadzillion forbidden foods by Moses.

(John 8:5)
In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"

(John 8:7)
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

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Con:
"Who washed his hands to prove and state, he is not accountable for the death of Jesus."

And why do you think that was?

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Con:
"How is God the the source of goodness when he lets evil?"

This argument actually would be more proof that God is good in that He allows the opposition to Him to exist.

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Con:
"This could just all amount to the fact there's no God then again that ain't the topic."

Which would cause the paradox called a "regress of infinite causality", which is the equivalent of saying "everyone has a mother, but there is no first mother."

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Con:
"Everything is according to God's plan?"

Yes. This is referred to as omniscient morality. If you can see all possible outcomes, and this ends up the best overall, are you morally bound to allow it to happen knowing the outcome is the best possible outcome? In reverse logic, if you know someone's existance hurts the final outcome are you morally bound to destroy them?

("Let There be Light"-video)

http://youtu.be...

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Con:
"But I find one similarity. Revelations"

In the book of Revelation, God allows humanity to do it humanity's way. Humanity destroys itself and God quits protecting that which has completely rejected Him and told Him to get out of the way.

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Con:
"I'd be grinning at you when a Christian turns Atheist."

I am an Atheist who turned Christian because I found out the agenda and lies of athiest apologetics. Example? Atheist apologetics sites use Deuteronomy to say "the Bible condones rape".

1)They don't mention that in the verse before it deals a death penalty to rapists.

2)Jesus and the acts of Judaism are not attached at the hip.

And...Atheism fails in meeting the "hierarchy of needs" in psychology. It will forsake you every time.

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Con:
"religion restricts many things and is object of 'depression'"

As Christianity has gone down in the U.S., suicides have went up. The New Atheist Movement caused one thing. It took away hope.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

http://www.usatoday.com...

With Atheism - the universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.

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Don't get mad at me. That's a quote from the leader of the New Atheist Movement, Richard Dawkins.

http://www.goodreads.com...

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Atheists have sued rehab programs for using Biblical principles to help people recover.

http://insider.pureflix.com...

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Con:
"God is all knowing they say,I say God doesn't know how lust feels like,but if he does know that means he's not all good."

Here is a link about witchcraft. It's at your fingertips. You have full access to it. But...you don't have to look, focus on it, or even pertake.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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Con:

"If you interpret that others gods are satanic then you simply found and gave meaning to those gods."

They have no meaning to me, because if Satanic, they are not gods, therefore meaningless to me. It would make me Atheist towards other gods as you are Atheist towards mine.
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