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suriaguru
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vardas0antras
Con (against)
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Our eyes cannot see the difference between any two things

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Started: 1/7/2011 Category: Science
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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suriaguru

Pro

Say you have two objects 'x' and 'y'.
The difference between 'x' and 'y' is neither in 'x' nor 'y', but BETWEEN 'x' and 'y'.
Your eyes cannot see the difference between any two things.
Only your mind can see the difference between things.
vardas0antras

Con

I ask for elaboration
Debate Round No. 1
suriaguru

Pro

For example,
1. There is difference between a gun and a rose. The difference between gun and rose is neither in the gun nor in the rose, but BETWEEN gun and rose.
2. There is a difference between a gun and a book. The difference between gun and book is neither in the gun nor in the book, but BETWEEN gun and book.
vardas0antras

Con

::Rebuttals::
1."Your eyes cannot see the difference between any two things."
Yes they can "the organ of sight".
http://dictionary.reference.com...

2."Only your mind can see the difference between things."
The mind doesn't do that "the element, part, substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc."
http://dictionary.reference.com...

::Clarification::
What do you mean in "BETWEEN" and why is it all capital letters ?
Debate Round No. 2
suriaguru

Pro

Assume that you listen to two musics: Music 'A' and Music 'B'.
You can see the differences between Music 'A' and Music 'B'.
Is it your eye which sees the difference between Music 'A' and Music 'B'?
vardas0antras

Con

Objection ! You can't see sound.

Hence Vote CON
Debate Round No. 3
suriaguru

Pro

I accept that you cannot see the sounds.
But, you can see the differences among the sounds!

Can't you see the differences among the sounds?
vardas0antras

Con

"Our eyes cannot see the difference between any two things" =/= "But, you can see the differences among the sounds!"
Therefore it is reasonable to vote Con !
Debate Round No. 4
suriaguru

Pro

//"Our eyes cannot see the difference between any two things" =/= "But, you can see the differences among the sounds!"
//

You can see the differences among the sounds EVEN WITHOUT YOUR EYES!!!
Therefore, our eyes are not the sensor of the differences among things!!!!
vardas0antras

Con

"You can see the differences among the sounds EVEN WITHOUT YOUR EYES!!!"
Cannot =/= without

My arguments may be weak and flimsy but they are conceded hence I urge a

CON VOTE
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by RoyLatham 6 years ago
RoyLatham
@ASB, Interesting experiment. It's been known for some time that small motions in the peripheral vision attract attention more quickly than motion in the central field of view. One speculation is that this is evolved physiology that protects against sneaky wolves and such. The sound alert theory would be consistent with that. In computer terms, the detection hardware creates a high priority interrupt that redirects brain processing.
Posted by ASB 6 years ago
ASB
Monkey hear, monkey see

Researchers trained monkeys to locate a light flashed on a screen. When the light was very bright, they easily found it; when it was dim, it took a long time. But if a dim light made a brief sound, the monkeys found it in no time — too quickly, in fact, than can be explained by the old theories.

Recordings from 49 neurons responsible for the earliest stages of visual processing, researchers found activation that mirrored the behavior. That is, when the sound was played, the neurons reacted as if there had been a stronger light, at a speed that can only be explained by a direct connection between the ear and eye brain regions, said researcher Ye Wang of the University of Texas in Houston.

ONE CAN SEE SOUND!!!!!!
Posted by RoyLatham 6 years ago
RoyLatham
The debate is about alternate definitions of "to see." Pro was ambiguous when proposing the challenge, so Con was free to use any common definition.

Consider the opening line of the Battle Hymn of the Republic, "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord ..." Does the hymn actual claim that "glory" could be be sensed by vision? No, but the text is understandable as meaning "caused to understand." The meaning is understood, so arguing that the eyes didn't see it, but rather the mind, is an unnecessary clarification. Pro has the obligation to make a clearly drawn resolution, so arguments to Con.
Posted by nonentity 6 years ago
nonentity
If the resolution was "Your eyes cannot KNOW the difference" it would have been a clear win for Pro... but Con's definition of sight wins it for me.
Posted by vardas0antras 6 years ago
vardas0antras
Vote ! Vote ! Vote !
Posted by vardas0antras 6 years ago
vardas0antras
I love this debate :D
Posted by gavin.ogden 6 years ago
gavin.ogden
Pro blew that one. Once he said, "see sounds", he lost.
Posted by vardas0antras 6 years ago
vardas0antras
"You can see the differences among the sounds "
Posted by suriaguru 6 years ago
suriaguru
Your eyes see the different things.
Your brain compares the sense data and sees the difference among them.
Posted by vardas0antras 6 years ago
vardas0antras
LET the VOTES COMMENCE
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