The Instigator
Starskii
Pro (for)
Winning
16 Points
The Contender
Dishoungh
Con (against)
Losing
0 Points

Our society is doomed.

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Starskii
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/15/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Starskii

Pro

The first round is for accepting.
Dishoungh

Con


I accept the challenge. As Con, I will argue that our society as a whole is not doomed. I will let Pro go first to present his arguments.



Good luck.


Debate Round No. 1
Starskii

Pro

~~Definitions:

Society: "The aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community." However in my argument I will be discussing the entirety of the world's societies as one homogeneous mixture, since I strongly believe that environmental damage is the number one threat to our future.

Doomed: "likely to have an unfortunate and inescapable outcome." Therefor if our society becomes doomed, it will be pressed to the point of forced adaptation. Thus, replacing the current political and social climate of our entire planet.

((Note: If my opponent does not agree to any of the definitions above, he must make it known for the sake of having a clear and well defined argument. ))

~~End Definitions.

The following are a few of my reasons for supporting the notion that: "society is doomed." I invite my opponent to explain why these issues are not going to have devastating consequences that would lead to a massive revolution in government and ultimately result in a large loss of life (therefore "likely to have an unfortunate and inescapable outcome.")

The Climate:

In under fifteen years our society has increased it's rampant release of carbon-dioxide 61 percent. This release is expected to grow at an annually rate of around 2.1 percent. [1] Contrary to popular belief even if we were to reduce or emissions completely AND started a massive carbon capture program, we would still not be able to escape global warming's effects. No, the unfortunate reality is that Human beings will have to revel in their mess for at least 1000 years and that's assuming we take dramatic action NOW! [2] Not only that, but the effect on agriculture and food production will cause world-wide hunger strikes. It is important to note that we are expected to have a world population of 9 billion by 2050. Think about the impact on poorer nations in the world that are already on the verge of collapse. [3] [4] [5]

An aging population:

It's quite problematic that in the future while dealing with the economic and environmental impacts of climate change, we will also be dealing with a higher worldwide dependency ration, increased governmental spending on health-care programs, a heavily taxed working class, and a reduction in our disposable income. [6] [7]

The nuclear threat:

It has been acknowledged that nuclear terrorism is a rising threat to American safety. [8] North Korea, a country that supplies a large portion of the world's methamphetamine -- distributed through commercial ports in the United States and other countries [9] -- is about to get a nuclear bomb. [10] The country has a dictator that is crazy enough, and hates America enough to start the first war using atomic or nuclear weapons since WW2. Tack that possibility onto the already troublesome climate. Oh wait! Then add Iran. Yup, Iran is also aiming to get a nuclear bomb to launch at Israel thus also adding tension to the world's political climate. [11]

Monetary shift:

The United States isn't gonna be top dog in the future. Actually the United State's is projected to reach 0% growth by the year 2050. [12] Imagine what that will do to the current financial institutions. People will lose faith in the stock market, they'll stop playing the game; just like that, we have collapse. Meanwhile countries like China, India and Germany will rise to power. [13]

For these reasons I stand by my claim. Society is doomed.

Sources:
// Environmental
[1] = http://co2now.org...

[2] = http://thinkprogress.org...

[3] = http://t.iie.com...

[4] = https://www.un.org...

[5] = http://www.natureworldnews.com...
//Aging population
[6] = http://www.economicshelp.org...

[7] = http://www.un.org...
//Nuclear threat
[8] = http://www.nationaljournal.com...

[9] = https://news.vice.com...

[10] = http://www.nytimes.com...

[11] http://www.jpost.com...
//Financial collapse
[12] = http://www.marketwatch.com...

[13] = http://www.businessinsider.com...
Dishoungh

Con

I'm sorry, but I didn't realize the meaning of the resolution until after I accepted. I concede.

Vote for Pro
Debate Round No. 2
Starskii

Pro

I extend my arguments.
Dishoungh

Con

Dishoungh forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Starskii

Pro

Starskii forfeited this round.
Dishoungh

Con

Dishoungh forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Starskii 2 years ago
Starskii
Actually you're incorrect. Climate change is widely believed to be impacted by Human involvement. Hundreds of years ago we didn't have modern industry and we certainly didn't have billions of cars running on fossil fuels on the road. The fact is we are releasing huge quantities of the greenhouse gas CO2 and a series of other dangerous chemicals that currently go unregulated by the Chinese government. Recently there was an agreement in the UN that Human society is impacting the planet in huge ways. You can't say that by mowing down our forests and replacing them with farms, roads, and power plants won't do anything to the biosphere on a macro scale.

Temperature has remained fairly consistent throughout the world for a long time, we can tell by taking ice samples from Antarctica and that helps us record CO2 releases of the past and the size of air bubbles tells us the temperature. The only times our temperature wasn't stable were in catastrophes like ice ages and some of the 5 major extinction events.

Also, the government has had a HUGE role in healthcare for a long time. Before the Affordable Care Act was passed in the U.S, we still had medicaid and medicare. That had almost 35% of our population on government funded healthcare. Look it up man.

The main side-effects of financial collapse were postponed by huge government stimulus. When this stimulus is no longer a viable option, and the economy tanks again, we will be right back to where we were when the great depression happened. Food scarcity is already a problem and with climate change, will continue to be a problem.

My points are still valid. Thanks for your comment.
Posted by SebastianDaMook 2 years ago
SebastianDaMook
4th A financial collapse has happened and HEY LOOK America is still here. Plus the recession we had was technically worse then the great depression. Every economy takes a hit every now and then. Look at Germany and the inflation they had after World War I. Everything evens out and becomes ok. Society will have it's ups and downs but will never be doomed.
Posted by SebastianDaMook 2 years ago
SebastianDaMook
I would tend to oppose much of what the pro is saying. First off I understand I am not in the debate but I would like to raise my input since this is a very interesting debate.

1. You say the climate is caused by humans and this will be one of the reason why we are doomed. If you look at the history of the earth the climate has never been consistent. In fact Antarctica a place that now is one of the most inhabitable places of the earth was once able to support to support non Artic life. Source http://news.yale.edu... . Not only that look at the Ice Age was global warming to do with a massive winter storm that was thousands of years? No, the earth climate will always change. This just some examples of how climate has not doomed us. Plus the fact that Humans adapt which would allows us to live through worse climates.

2nd. Aging comes with any life form not just ours. Medicines and new technology will always be created to allow us to live longer. Plus the fact that you're saying that medicine development is supported by the government and taxing. Which is wrong, only recently has healthcare at least in the US been goverment issue. And most development of new medicines is privately done by big corporations.

3rd. Nuclear threat will always be an issue. But most countries will not go to nuclear war. Russia didn't during the cold war which was the closes time to nuclear war in modern times. 2nd North Korea doesn't actually hate america., He has huge wine collections and loves American Movies. Plus they can't even build a ski lift. He will threaten just to get his way. The only true worry is terrorism, I don't have enough characters for this comment to continue this argument so lets continue in another.
Posted by Dishoungh 2 years ago
Dishoungh
Define "doomed."
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