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ben444422
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Crazy4Steelers07
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Outsourcing is beneficial for the US.

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Started: 6/14/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ben444422

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This is going to be a short debate. There is a limit of one contention per side.

{Contention 1}

Outsourcing increases efficiency and productivity. For example, jobs that Americans are inefficient at, such as manufacturing jobs, are being shipped to other countries such as China or India. This is beneficial as the US is inherently moving away from a manufacturing to a service economy. Jobs are reorganized so that they are most compatible with the worker.

Daniel W. Drezner, Council on Foreign relations, remarks that "The resulting increase in productivity[from outsourcing] ... added some $230 billion in cumulative additional GDP between 1995 and 2002."
http://www.foreignaffairs.org...
Crazy4Steelers07

Con

As globalization has connected the world, cultural advancements in underdeveloped countries have allowed for massive amounts of cheap labor that have caught the eye of many American businesses. The Brookings Report shows, "Together, [these countries are] adding 1.2 billion lower-wage workers to the global economy. With lagged adjustment of ‘capital,' this puts downward pressure on the wages of similarly skilled workers elsewhere." These countries all have a strong IT service industry that has incited many U.S. companies to outsource American jobs to these foreign countries. Even if American ‘Businesses' out-sourcing jobs to other countries, and thus American ‘workers' losing jobs, where not the problem, as the evidence states, putting downward pressure on wages is a problem.

On your contention: America's lost "2.5 million [] manufacturing jobs" since 2001 (http://www.debate.org...). That's 2.5 million Americans without jobs, anyway you slice it.
Debate Round No. 1
ben444422

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Outsourcing has actually led to a holistic increase in wages. My opponent's source remarks that wages in the manufacturing sector in the US have decreased. According to Holger G´┐Żorg and Ingo Geishecker (University of Nottingham), outsourcing has increased service jobs wages by 3.3% and decreased manufacturing job wages by 1.8%. On a holistic scale, we see a net increase in wages (3.3% vs 1.8%). What is more important is that service jobs also inherently have higher wages (30% higher), and outsourcing facilitates this shift from a manufacturing to service economy.
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My opponent claims that we have lost 2.5 million jobs, yet you must realize that this is not a loss rather a transfer and a shift. For example, from 2001-2006, the unemployment rate hovered around 4-5%, if, as my opponent claims, outsourcing is so detrimental, we would have seen a change in the unemployment rate. The truth is that the jobs lost were regained in the service sector of the economy.
Crazy4Steelers07

Con

My opponents main arguments involves changing the US economy from Manufacturing (which we're now outsourcing) to Service (which he says pays better). That may have been what was happening a couple of decades ago, but now the "IT service industry takes up 28% the total outsourcing market" (http://www.logicaster.com...) with "58%" from the service market. Example: When you call customer service, who do you get? A guy with a nice, clear American accent? No, you get an Indian guy with an accent so think you can barely understand it.
The US international trade commission reported the "14 million" (http://hotdocs.usitc.gov...) more American jobs are at risk of being lost due to outsourcing by 2015.
Outsourcing is not 'beneficial' (Advantageous, helpful [dictionary.com]) if millions of Americans are losing their jobs when they could be employed. Look @ the current US unemployment rate: 9.2%, beat America wished it had those jobs back now, huh?
Debate Round No. 2
ben444422

Pro

Actually, outsourcing still facilitates this switch from a manufacturing to service economy. I admit service outsourcing exists in the US, yet this debate forces us to look at it on a holistic scale.The amount of jobs insourced increased by 82% while those outsourced increased by 23% (NCPA). Furthermore, 6.4 million jobs (NCPA) were insourced from other countries. Outsourcing facilitates this insourcing as it frees up jobs that are incompatible (efficiency wise) to replace them with better higher paying high end service jobs. Therefore we gain more better jobs (programming jobs etc.) and lose the lower end service jobs (Tele operator) and manufacturing jobs. We have insourced 6.4 million jobs due to the opened job opportunities created by outsourcing, higher than the 2.5 million jobs lost. We only have lost jobs at the moment due to the recession and increased output- not due to outsourcing. In fact, if it weren't for outsourcing we would not have insourced and we would be worser off.
Crazy4Steelers07

Con

My opponent never showed how in sourcing and outsourcing directly correlate, simply why not just insource the and jobs and don't outsource jobs?

Also my opponent claims we would only gain better like computer 'programming'. Hate to break it to you, but the top 1% of Americans in programming are equal to the top 50% of programmers coming out of India (talk to Google, the company). Basically, even if the people are paid out of the US (but really, jobs like programming can be done anywhere in the world they have Internet access) that doesn't mean Americans are getting jobs. When they 'insource' these jobs they bring the laborers with them.

Jobs insourced to America aren't even with American companies, "includ[ing] plants that assemble German and Japanese automobiles" (NCPA). When Americans start doing grunt jobs for other countries that's 'cause we're no longer a top tier country, and we have lost that edge because of outsourcing. Outsourcing has not benefited the Us, vote Con.
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