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zwiggity
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Palestines should have the jews kicked out of Israel because it is their homeland

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Started: 4/7/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Garet

Pro

I am Pro/For the Palestines, they deserve to have Israel as their homeland over the jews that now occupy all of Israel. This includes Gaza ( which they already have ) and West Bank. I will exclude Gohan Height because that's actually Syria's land.

Terms will be: showing proof thru history and religion why either side deserve Israel more then the other.

What would be required for you (Con/Against) to reconsider your position?
zwiggity

Con

Think of this you have just witnessed the killing of 6 million of you own people. Your homes have been destroyed and your family's have been killed it is just you now. You don't have any where to go except for America and even America has its limits. So you and the rest of your people have to create your own country. This is what happened to the Jews in the 1930's during the end of world war two and the holocaust.

With out homes to live in more than 5 million Jews had to create their own country. They spent years talking to the UN about making a country in Israel. The first plan was to have have the country Israel for the Jews and the other half Palestine for the Palestinians. The Palestinians did not accept the. The Jews ended up getting most of Israel and on the day they were declared a country a war started. Israel did not yet have a military. Around half of the people fighting in their military were under 20. Israel was attacked by all 6 of their surrounding neighbors they ended up winning the war with in 6 days. Look it up it is called The Six Day War for a reason.

Israel is not just a Jewish nation, it is the only nation besides America where Jews can live freely with out having the threat of being kicked out. Israel contains many Religious land marks. Israel does not destroy these they respect them and let the people of those religions use them. Unlike other countries the Jews are respectful and don't try to destroy a part of a religion that has nothing to do with their own. If the Palestine take back Israel the Jews will have nowhere to live. I'm not saying that Palestinians can't live in Israel but they should not kick out the Jews. The Jews actually allow Palestinians to live in Israel.
Debate Round No. 1
Garet

Pro

I"m going to start this defense with some religious background. We will start with Abraham, since all three religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam believe Abraham was a prophet. Abraham and Sarah, his wife, were unable to have children, so they asked Hagar, servant, if she would help Abraham to have a child with her. They needed an heir. After Ishmael is born, Sarah is with child too. Sarah wants Abraham to send away Ishmael, because he is first-born and don"t want to have any issues with an heir. Ishmael is considered the lineage that all Arabs come from, Muhammad is a direct descendant and the last of the prophets. Isaac is born from Abraham and Sarah. The binding story differs depending on which religion, Islam is Ishmael, and Christianity/Judaism is Isaac. God calls upon Abraham to sacrifice his child to prove his faith, right before Abraham is going to kill his child, God stops him and accepts him into him. Isaac and Rebecca, his wife, have a child named Jacob which becomes the lineage that all Israelites come from.
Biblical history of the Jewish people, 2000 BCE, Abraham came to the promised land, 1400 BCE, Moses led the Jews out of exile in Egypt, 1050 BCE, King David conquered Jerusalem and brought the Ark of the Covenant, he was succeeded by his son Solomon, 960 BCE, First Temple built by King Solomon on the "Temple Mount", site of the binding of Isaac, and 586 BCE, First Temple destroyed by Babylonians and Jews driven into exile. His is based solely on the Bible.
Ancient history of the Jewish people, 537 BCE, Persians overthrow Babylonians and allow Jews to return to Jerusalem (key point is Jews were saved by Arabs), 516 BCE, Second Temple built by Herod the Great, 63 BCE, Roman occupation begins, 66 CE Jewish revolt, 70 CE, Jerusalem sacked by Rome and Second Temple is destroyed. Only thing left is the West Wall (Wailing Wall), 135 CE, Jewish revolt and Rome renames land "Palestina", 614 CE, Jewish revolt and the Jews are expelled from Palestine, 631 CE, Muslim Arabs defeat Roman Empire in Palestine, 691 CE, construction of the Dome of the Rock, which is the hoof print embedded into the rock from Muhammad"s night journey, 705 CE, construction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque which are both on top of the "Temple Mount".
Jews were getting expelled from Spain in 1492, Jewish ghettos were formed in 13 countries. Ghettos were formed to limit the space for Jews, limit their numbers, prevent Jews from leaving during Christian holidays, and protect Jews from pogroms. A pogrom is an organized massacre of a particular ethnic group, typically Jews in Russia or Eastern Europe. In 1881, new waves of pogroms begin in Russian Empire forcing 35,000 Jews from Russia and 40,000 Jews from Russia in 1914 right before WWI. Sykes Picot Agreement brings Palestine under British control. After WWI, 40,000 Jews from Russia and Poland are forced out. British Mandate issues by the League of Nations legalized the rule of Palestine by Great Britain. IN 1917, the Balfour Declaration gives the Jews a national identity and citizenship and are told to head to Palestine. In 1924, 82,000 Jews from Poland and Hungary leave to move to Palestine. In 1929, 250,000 Jews flee Nazi Germany, if only more had taken the hint.
Palestinians have been living in the holy land for 1300 years. Palestinians have the more recent claim. If the Jews had taken the hint about getting out of Germany back in 1924, millions wouldn"t have died during WWII. They didn"t spend years taking to the U.N. because they were forced out of all European countries before that and they were given a land that wasn"t even theirs to give away from the British. Jews didn"t accept what was given to them and they wanted more from the Palestinians which they didn"t give to them in the first place. The six day was a pre-emptive strike and not an actual war, Israel launched a lightning strike that took Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq by surprise. They destroyed rows upon rows of fighter planes all lined up nicely. This Blitzkrieg goes down in history as the greatest fight ever but only because the Arabs were caught with their pants down. The Jews currently in Israel treat the Palestinians like how the Jews were treated throughout history by all the Europeans. I still remember walking around in East Jerusalem and watching a group of children, escorted by IDF, nailing the Jewish flag on the door of Palestinian homes. When you say, the Jews let the Palestinians live, that is an understatement. I don"t think you have any idea how the Palestinians are allowed to live.
zwiggity

Con

I'm not saying that Palestinian people should not be aloud to live anywhere actually Israel treats the Palestinian people way better then the Arab countries around them treat Jews that live in those country. Israel does not kick out Palestinians unless a Palestinian does something against Israel or try's to kill somone they can live freely and they are treated fine. Israel is a very diverse country and many people live their happily. Israel is also the only state where Jewish people can live freely besides America. Their are many many country's where Palestinian people and Islamic people can live freely. The Jews have form nothing wrong and they should not be kicked out of their only country.

The Jewish people are normal people just like Palestinian people or Islamic people. They deserve a nation. The Jews have done way less wrong then the surrounding Arab nations. Even America has its limits if the Jews are kicked out of Israel they will have nowhere to go and they will not have a home. Kicking the Jews out of Israel would call for the death of almost an entire religion. The difference between the Arab nations and Israel is that the Arab nations are upswing their people to protect their misles. They put their missles in hospitals and in shool. Israel on the other hand has the iron dome. Israel uses its missles to protect their people. Constantly Israel is bombed by Arab nations and Israel does not bomb back they try to create peace treaty and they don't want to have more and more wars. Listen to me the Jews have done far less the the Arabs have. Ever done the Jews have created Israel it has had the greatest inventions in the world the phone was created in Israel. The laptop was created in Israel. The soda stream was created in Israel. And many more things. Water purifying mechanisms were created in Israel but these were all created by the Jews living in Israel.
Debate Round No. 2
Garet

Pro

I do agree that Arabs treat Jews badly in Arabic countries not named Israel, however, the Jews treat the Palestinians just as bad if not worse. The Jews don"t kick them out, they just build a wall around the Palestinians to kick them enclosed in their own area, not to keep them out but to keep them in. Jews are living freely in Israel but the Palestinians aren"t, unless you consider being walled in freedom. Jews are allowed a police force and a military force, can you guess who don"t have either of these? That"s right the Palestinians. It wasn"t like the Jews conquered Israel, they were forced back as refugees with the only place to go from the European countries. Israel was Palestinian until the British declared it a homeland for the Jews to go to.
During the six day war in 1967, Jews took over Sinai Peninsula (Egypt), Golan Heights (Syria), Gaza Strip (Palestine), and West Bank (Palestine). The Jews currently occupy two of those today, and just recently gave Gaza Strip back to Palestinians, which was Palestinian anyways. U.S. brokered a deal between Egypt and Jews to give back Sinai Peninsula and Egypt agreed to recognize the state of Israel with U.S. agreed to pay both parties a combined 4.5 million per year to keep the peace. Golan Heights is part of Israel now and it has no desire to go back to Syrian rule. West Bank is still held by Jews to this day from the Palestinians. Palestinians want to go back to the "green line" but Jews only want to give up Gaza Strip and at the most 91% of West Bank over the next 25 years, keeping 9% for security. Jews want Israeli sovereignty over all Jerusalem and the Palestinians want all of east Jerusalem based on the "green line" but giving Jewish quarter under Israeli control (located in East Jerusalem) but not Israeli sovereignty. So the Palestinians are willing to share the "Temple Mount" but the Jews aren"t willing to share which is the exact opposite you are saying. Palestinians want their refugees to be able to come back to Palestine, but the Jews aren"t willing to let them because it would change the demographics of Israel. Jews security demands the control of Palestinian airspace, the right to deploy troops in the Palestinian state, have an international force in the Jordan Valley, and demilitarization of the Palestinian state.
zwiggity

Con

zwiggity forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Garet

Pro

letting my opponent post again since he missed last one.
zwiggity

Con

zwiggity forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Garet

Pro

letting my opponent post again since he missed last two.
zwiggity

Con

zwiggity forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by dude100 1 year ago
dude100
try to think of the movie Troy, where the king of Troy kisses the hands of achilles,

Priam: I have endured what no one on earth has endured before. I kissed the hands of the man who killed my son.
Achilles: [realizes, stands abrubtly] Priam? How did you get in here?
Priam: I know my country better than the Greeks, I think.
Achilles: [walks forward, lifts Priam] You are a brave man. I could have your head on a spit in the blink of an eye.
Priam: Do you really think death frightens me now? I watched my eldest son die, watched you drag his body behind your chariot. Give him back to me. He deserves a proper burial, you know that. Give him to me.
Achilles: He killed my cousin.
Priam: He thought it was you. How many cousins have you killed? How many sons and fathers and brothers and husbands? How many, brave Achilles?
Posted by dude100 1 year ago
dude100
this is ridiculous a bunch of people fighting over a clump of dirt just because they say it's special. Where I come from logic and reason are paramount to everyday life. You want to kill someone because they're standing on the spot you want? Ridiculous normal people don't do that. I don't care how much you believe in god, yesterday is history, it is what it is, the jews are the majority. If a bunch of people from another country move into an american neighborhood, do you think we would start killing them all? or force them all to leave? no, we don't do that in America. If people try to do that, the law sets you strait. I've been to Israel, walk into a room full of Palestinians, ask them if someone they cared about was killed by a Jew and nearly every hand will go up. Then walk into a room full of Jews and ask them if someone they cared about was killed by an Arab and nearly every hand will go up. You see it's not that complicated. People are just people. Both experienced a loss incomprehensible to the other because both sides hate each other so much that neither are willing to entertain such a notion. The fighting will never stop because both sides want to get even as if that's the right thing to do. In America we have an expression called "taking the high road" which means being the better person by not reciprocating the same behavior. Israel is a country full of uncivilized douchebags who can't get passed their differences and for some reason they have an insane addiction to beeping their horn at every single red light. Honestly it doesn't make things go faster, so stop BEEPING! before I beat your face in with a stick!
Posted by missmedic 1 year ago
missmedic
God promised the land to the jews, and you can't argue with god,
Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
"Homeland"..There is plenty of dessert in that area..
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