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Palestinians Are The Nazis of the 21st Century

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Started: 11/2/2014 Category: Politics
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DavidMGold

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I know some will undoubtedly accuse me of being intentionally provocative with my title, but I intend to present a mass of empirical facts that will demonstrate that this contention can be proven to be absolutely true. I welcome my opponent to either accept the challenge or freely go ahead an introduce his or her case.
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Debate Round No. 1
DavidMGold

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Contention 1 - Hitler's Mufti & Pogroms Before 1948

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem and uncle of Yasser Arafat, was a the champion of violent antisemitic hatred and was a prominent leader of the Arabs during the Mandatory Period. He was a graduate of Obama's much lauded Al-Azhar University and belonged to the Hanafi school (one of the four Sunni schools) of Islamic jurisprudence.attended an educational institution known as Dar al-Dawa wal-Ershad (The Institute for Propagation and Guidance) created by the Syrian Islamic Salafi leader Mohammed Rashid Rida, who politically promoted a rejuvenation of the caliphate for Pan-Islamism.[1] He instigated the 1929 massacres; in Jerusalem the Muslims from their domed victory mosque on the Temple Mouhnt shouted "Death to the Jewish dogs!" and to meet Arab demands the British sent armed men to dismantle a small screen erected to shield Jews during a prayer service at the Western Wall. The Mufti distrubuted phamplets describing the "...the unlimited greedy aspirations of the Jews..." accusing them of a takeover of the Al-Aqsa Mosque.[2] Jews worshippers were frequently beaten or stoned. The Mufti further abused Jewish worshippers by starting construction next to the Kotel, having donkeys driven through the prayer area dropping excrements, throwing contaminated waste water down on the Jewish worshippers, and havihng a muezzin make the Islamic call to prayer right next to the wall with a deafening noise.

Naturally the Mufti along with his Supreme Muslim Council gave an inflammatory Islamic Friday sermon and the Muslims marched afterwards on the Kotel burning Jewish prayer books and supplicants stuffed in the cracks of the wall.[3] Arab Media circulated a flyer signed by the Committee of the Holy Warriors in Palestine citing libels stated "Hearts are in tumult because of these barbaric deeds, and the people began to break out in shouts of 'war, Jihad ... rebellion.' ... O Arab nation, the eyes of your brothers in Palestine are upon you ... and they awaken your religious feelings and national zealotry to rise up against the enemy who violated the honor of Islam and raped the women and murdered widows and babies."[4] Ultimately thousands of Arabs streamed into Jerusalem armed and proceeded to massacre Jews. British police watched on as Jews were being killed and Jewish requests for firearms were denied.

In Hebron, the Arabs mob armed with axes and knives proceeded to massacre 67 Jews and wounded many others, destroyed a Jewish hospital that treated Arabs, desecrated synogues, looted valuables, and destroyed a library containing manuscripts of great antiquity.[5] The Jewish survivors were forced to move to Jerusalem. Jews were also killed in Safed as described in the Diary of David Hacohen, "We set out on Saturday morning. . . I could not believe my eyes. . . I met some of the town's Jewish elders, who fell on my neck weeping bitterly. We went down alleys and steps to the old town. Inside the houses I saw the mutilated and burned bodies of the victims of the massacre, and the burned body of a woman tied to the grille of a window. Going from house to house, I counted ten bodies that had not yet been collected. I saw the destruction and the signs of fire. Even in my grimmest thoughts I had not imagined that this was how I would find Safed where "calm prevailed."

The local Jews gave me a detailed description of how the tragedy had started. The pogrom began on the afternoon of Thursday, August 29, and was carried out by Arabs from Safed and from the nearby villages, armed with weapons and tins of kerosene. Advancing on the street of the Sefardi Jews from Kfar Meron and Ein Zeitim, they looted and set fire to houses, urging each other on to continue with the killing. They slaughtered the schoolteacher, Aphriat, together with his wife and mother, and cut the lawyer, Toledano, to pieces with their knives. Bursting into the orphanages, they smashed the children's heads and cut off their hands. I myself saw the victims. Yitshak Mammon, a native of Safed who lived with an Arab family, was murdered with indescribable brutality: he was stabbed again and again, until his body became a bloody sieve, and then he was trampled to death. Throughout the whole pogrom the police did not fire a single shot."[7]

The Mufti, unleashed a violent wave of violence aimed at Jews and the British Authorities in 1936 in what can be described as a religious holy war and he declared anyone in opposition to be a heretic and their life forfeit. He was receiving financial backing at the time from Fascist Italy. He was forced to eventually flee to Iraq. The tragedy of the whole affair was the British had already rewarded the Saudi Royal Family by gifting them Transjordan (over 80% of the original mandate) for support and oil. To keep Arab support the British further abandoned the Mandate supporting the creation of yet another Arab state and prhohmising to restrict Jewish immigrants to 5,000 a year while permhitting unrestricted Arab immigration.

The Mufti and the Arabs were supportive of the Nazi Regime as evidenced by a telegram sent to Berlin by their consul in erusalem that stated, "the Mufti explained to me today at length that Moslems [sic]both within Palestine and without welcome the new regime in Germany." They looked forward to the spread of Fascism.[8] The Mufti was ultimately smuggled to Axis-controlled Europe by the Italian Servizio Informazioni Militari. He was given a large grant of monheyh and met with Mussolini[9] who expressed his antisemitism and opposition to Zionism. Bernard Lewis cites his draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation submitted to the Nazi Government declaring, "Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (v"lkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy."[10]

The Mufti would then travel to Berlin to be official received by Adolf Hitler. Although Hitler would not make a public declaration, he told him his plan to systematically hunt down and destroy Jews throughout Europe telling the Mufti to 'to lock ...deep in his heart' what he was revealing about the Holocaust.The Holocaust Memorial Museum has the Berlin Newsreel of the meeting and Hitler had pledged the annihilation of the Jews living in the Mandate.[11]

He would go on to celebrate the opening of an Islamic Center in Berlin giving a speech that lashed out at the Jews, stating that the Koran judged the Jews "to be the most irreconcilable enemies of the Muslims." He predicted that the Jews would "always be a subversive element on the earth [and] are inclined to craft intrigues, provoke wars, and play the nations off against one another." as well as deliever propaganda broadcasts throughout the world on Radio Berlin supporting Nazi Germany as well as antisemitic attacks promoting conspiracies about Jews controlling the governments of the world. He labeled the Jews as the enemy of Islam, and used crude racist terminology to depict Jews and Jewish behavior. He described Jews as having immutable characteristics and behaviors. On occasion, he would compare Jewishness to infectious disease and Jews to microbes or bacilli. In at least one speech attributed to him, he advocated killing Jews wherever Arabs found them. He consistently advocated "removing" the Jewish homeland from Palestine and, on occasion, driving every Jew out of Palestine and other Arab lands.[12] Heinrich Himmler told him in summer 1943 that the Germans had "already exterminated more than three million" Jews.

His other activities included the interception of Jewish refugees and the recruitment of an entire SS division of Bosnian Muslims, which would go on to commit various war crimes in the Balkans ethnically cleansing Jews and Serbs.[13] Sadly, the French would not turn him over to the British or to Yugoslavia for prosecution as requested hoping to use him to bolster France's reputation in the Arab World. The Muslim Brotherhood helped him escape to Egypt, which granted him asylum.

Yasser Arafat would call him a "hero" praising the fact he remained an Arab leader despite his ties with Nazi Germany noting his partcipationh as a soldier for him in 1948. "We are not Afghanistan"We are the Mighty People. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini? ... There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops."[14] Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf is a bestselling book among the Palestinianhs.[15]

[1] http://www.benning.army.mil...
[2] http://cojs.org...(The_Shaw_Commission),_Cmd._3530_%E2%80%93_1930.
[3] http://www.safed.co.il...
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[5] http://cojs.org...(The_Shaw_Commission),_Cmd._3530_%E2%80%93_1930.
[6] http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
[7] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[8] http://membr.uwm.edu...
[9] http://www.pre-trib.org...
[10] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[11] http://www.ushmm.org...
[12] http://www.ushmm.org...
[13] http://www.serbianna.com...
[14] http://www.israelnationalnews.com...
[15] http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
Debate Round No. 2
DavidMGold

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I'm suspending any further participation in this debate. Why is a person like this even registered at www.debate.org ? You give some people anonymity and they can't help but flaunt their stupidity.
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Debate Round No. 3
DavidMGold

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Debate Round No. 4
DavidMGold

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Dilara, and you have the audacity to level accusations of brainwashing, but you can't bring yourself to mention Hamas. "You must defend your self from innocent children playing soccer on a beach..." or maybe by that you mean the 13,000 teens that completed Hamas' paramilitary youth camps where they learned to be martyrs (dead terrorists), to become Shahid, and wage Jihad with their newly acquired weapons training skills. Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh told them at their graduation ceremony "Love death for the sake of Allah as our enemy loves life." He also said "This is a generation which knows no fear. It is the generation of the missile, the tunnel and the suicide operations."
Posted by Atheist-Independent 2 years ago
Atheist-Independent
I would argue that France has displayed the greatest anti-semitism thus far.
Posted by Dilara 2 years ago
Dilara
You must defend your self from innocent children playing soccer on a beach and sleeping in un schools that the in told 17 times not to bomb. Did you watch the Btselem 5 minute video about how Israeli setters treat Palestinians in Hebron. The Palestinians are the most oppressed people in the world.
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Maimonides wrote, "..."it is permitted to teach the commandments and the explanations according to [rabbinic] law to the Christians, but it is prohibited to do likewise for the Muslims. You know, in effect, that according to their belief this Torah is not from heaven and if you teach them something, they will find it contrary to their tradition, because their practices are confused and their opinions bizarre mippnei she-ba"uu la-hem debariim be-ma`asiim [because a mish-mash of various practices and strange, inapplicable statements were received by them.] What [one teaches them] will not convince them of the falseness of their opinions, but they will interpret it according to their erroneous principles and they will oppress us. [F]or this reason"they hate all [non-Muslims] who live among them. It would then just be a stumbling block for the Israelites who, because of their sins, are in captivity among them. On the contrary, the uncircumcised [Christians] admit that the text of the Torah, such as we have it, is intact. They interpret it only in an erroneous way and use it for purposes of the allegorical exegesis that is proper to them Ve-yirmezuu bah ha-remaziim hay-yedu`iim la-hem [They would exchange secret signs known only to them.] If one informs them about the correct interpretation, there is hope that they will return from their error, and even if they do not, there is not stumbling block for Israel, for they do not find in their religious law any contradiction with ours."
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Ibn Aqnin continued, "" Then they imposed upon us distinctive garments"As for the decree enforcing the wearing of long sleeves, its purpose was to make us resemble the inferior state of women, who are without strength. They were intended by their length to make us unsightly, whereas their color was to make us loathsome" The purpose of these distinctive garments is to differentiate us from among them so that we should be recognized in our dealings with them without any doubt, in order that they might treat us with disparagement and humiliation. . . Moreover it allows our blood to be spilled with impunity. For whenever we travel on the wayside from town to town, we are waylaid by robbers and brigands and are murdered secretly at night or killed in broad daylight"

Now, the purpose of the persecution of Ishmael, whether they require us to renounce our religion in public or in private is only to annihilate the faith of Israel and consequently one is bound to accept death rather than commit the slightest sin . . . as did the martyrs of Fez, Sijilmasa, and Dar"a."
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Abraham Ben David Halevi was made a martyr on account of the Muslim conquest in Spain in 1180. He concluded his book with the destruction of the Andalusian communities by the Almohads. He related a story about R. Moses b. M16;anokh, R. Shemariah, and R. M16;ushi'el and a fourth captive sold into slavery. The massacres and atrocities were also recorded by Ibn Aqnin "If we were to consider the persecutions that have befallen us in recent years, we would not find anything comparable recorded by our ancestors in their annals. We are made the object of inquisitions; great and small testify against us and judgments are pronounced, the least of which render lawful the spilling of our blood, the confiscation of our property, and the dishonor of our wives.

" the [Muslim] custodians are able to dispose of our young children and their belongings as they see fit. If they were given to an individual who feared Allah, then he would endeavor to educate the children in his religion, for one of their principles is that all children are originally born as Muslims and only their parents bring them up as Jews, Christians, or Magians. Thus, if this individual educates them in [what they state is] their original religion [i.e., Islam] and does not leave the children with those [i.e., the Jews] that will abduct them therefrom, he will obtain a considerable reward from Allah"

" We were prohibited to practice commerce, which is our livelihood, for there is no life without the food to sustain our bodies and clothes to protect them from the heat and cold. The latter can only be obtained through trade for this is their source and cause, without which its effect, namely our existence, would disappear. In so doing their design was to weaken our strong and annihilate our weak""
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
POPOO5560, modern scholarship regards the period referred to as the Dark Ages to be a historical myth and most all historians are in agreement on that point taking your claims in reverse order. There is no denying historical examples of some pogroms in Christian countries, but that shouldn't be taken to absolve the Muslims of their pogroms against the Jews. Maimonides provides a strong refutation of your claim of a Golden Age in Spain, but let's be clear how golden it could be given the Muslims invaded Spain and made a great slaughter of the people followed by the inevitable taking of captives to be sold into the Islamic slave market or female sex slaves basically viewed as plunder to be raped repeatedly, and finally the Dhimmitude for those that were spared the former.

Maimonides found after the conquest of Cordova that dhimmi Jews were given the choice of Islam or exile and he chose exile. Arab historian Ibn Baydhaq"s recorded of your so-called Golden Age "Abd al-Mumin"the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi "captured Tlemcen [in the Maghreb] and killed all those who were in it, including the Jews, except those who embraced Islam"[In Sijilmasa] One hundred and fifty persons were killed for clinging to their [Jewish] faith"All the cities in the Almoravid [dynastic rulers of North Africa and Spain prior to the Almohads] state were conquered by the Almohads. One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh. The Jews in all [Maghreb] localities [conquered]"groaned under the heavy yoke of the Almohads; many had been killed, many others converted; none were able to appear in public as Jews"Large areas between Seville and Tortosa [in Spain] had likewise fallen into Almohad hands."
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Response to S. 22:40-39, or more likely 39-40, would be that this was composed when Muhammad made his hijrah from Meeca to Medina. I will pass on commenting on this Surah at large, which to me further diminishes Islam and Muhammad's credibility with the erroneous claim that Abraham built the Ka'ba. Anyway, this verse is where Muhammad progressively begins endorsing fighting, which started with taking to armed robbery and murder directed at Meecan trade caravans. It goes on to say non-Muslims will be destroyed for rejecting Islam with the usual bluster. Reading Islamic scholars like Ibn Taymiyyah reveals the progressive nature to not fight, then 22:39-41 gives them permission to fight, next he cites S. 2:216 "Prescribed for you is fighting, though it be hateful to you. Yet it may happen that you will hate a thing which is better for you; and it may happen that you love a thing which is worse for you. God knows and you know not" on down to the latter stages of Jihad warfare and he considered Jihad a pillar of Islam. Ironically, even Bin Laden cited S. 22:39-41 in his letter to the American people.
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Response to S. 3:64, I find nothing remarkable or peaceful about this verse. The verse is just a continuation of the Islam pirating Abraham and frivolously claiming him as a prophet of Islam accusing the Jews and Christians of perversity. At any rate it is an invitation to join Islam just as Muhammad had letters sent out Constantinople, Egypt, Persia, Yamama, Damascus, Oman, and his letter to the King of Abyssinia specifically citing S. 3:64 before launching an offensive Jihad. The Caliphs did this as well and Bin Laden imitated the practice in his 2002 letter to the American people inviting them to Islam.
Posted by DavidMGold 2 years ago
DavidMGold
Response to 4:8-9, well you probably need to take your own advice and brush up on your study because that's Surah 60:8-9. Surah 4 starts of establishing polygamy and codifies the Islamic practice of Muslim men taking captive women as sex slaves and goes into inheritance laws. This is one of Muammad's ready to order verses that came after Asma refused to let her mother visiting from Meeca into her house or accept her gifts because she was an idolator. On a side not Sura 60 starts of praising Abraham (while plagarizing the Torah) for expressing hatred for any of his family that doesn't worship allah and then saying he is not a good example for telling his father he would pray for forgiveness of his sins. So the context is really on in terms of Abu Bakr's daughter and more relevant verses can be found in S. 5:54 - "Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers." or the last of the revelation in S. 9:123 - "O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you." Don't forget your rightly guided Caliph Umar kicked out a scribe he wanted to brought to him for his wonderful work until he found he was a non-Muslim and ordered him to be exiled reciting the Qu'ran "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends..."
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