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Palestinians should give up their quest for the land of Israel

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Started: 9/9/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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juansanchez

Pro

Israel got its independence back in 1948, since then many Palestinians claim to be the righteous owners of the land by killing innocent civilians.
henryajevans

Con

First of all, the question is inappropriate. Most Palestinians want not to reclaim Israel, but to have a Two State System. The only regional opposition they have in the desire to create a Two State System is Israel. Israel encourages illegal settlements and outposts in the West Bank for the sole purpose of cantonising the region so as to negate the possibility of an independent Palestinian state. These settlements are in direct violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, and are continuing to this day. President Benjamin Netanyahu said 'I have no intention of building new settlements in the West Bank... But like all the governments there have been until now, I will have to meet the needs of natural growth in the population. I will not be able to choke the settlements'. This seems eerily similar to this argument used by one who could hardly be described as a friend of Israel...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

The Palestinians ARE the righteous owners of the land anyway. They had inhabited it as a minority before the expusion of the Jews, and after as a majority. It is ludicrous to suggest that the Jews were merely vacationing, and the land that was owned by their ancestors who had lived two millennia ago is theirs. The Palestinians managed to coexist with the Jewish population in Palestine peacefully, as they did across the Islamic world. Persecution of the Jews was a European construct, so as a solution to it, the Europeans decided to dedicate a portion of their illegally obtained Empire (this particular portion had been owned for less than thirty years by Britain), and sell the people that lived there down the river in favour of people whose only justification was that their ancestors lived there in antiquity. By that logic, the Native Americans should control the full region of the Americas, Aboriginal Australians should control Australia, and the Parsi should control Iran. Its existence is illogical, and based on a mixture of colonial racism and neoclassical and biblical sympathies, rather than concern for the future of the Jewish people. In fact, I would venture to say that the number of wars Israel has been involved in since its founding, Jews in Israel are statistically more at risk there than they would have been should they have remained in Europe.

Also, with regards to your comment that the Palestinian people kill innocent civilians to achieve their quest for Israel, you appear to be in complete ignorance of the statistics.

Breakdown of Deaths on either side since 2000.

Chilren
Israeli - 129
Palestinian - 1,519

Other Civilians
Israeli - 1,104
Palestinian - 4,226 (bodies located and recorded as deaths, though many more are missing)

People Killed in the Course of Targeted Killings
Israeli - 1
Palestinian - 408 (Minimum estimate)

People Killed as Object of Targeted Killings
Israel - 1
Palestinian - 238

People Injured by the Other Side's Actions
Israel - 9,104
Palestinian - 50,742

Political Prisoners and Detainees
Israeli Prisoners - 0
Palestinian Prisoners - 4,900

Homes Demolished by the Other Side Without Consent
Israeli Homes - 0
Palestinian Homes - 27,000

Number of Illegal Settlements on the Other Side's Land
Israel - 269
Palestine - 0

Number of Illegal Settlers on the Other Side's Land
Israeli Settlers - 350,150
Palestinian Settlers - 0

Source - http://www.ifamericansknew.org...

The website has information about the individual sources, the Israeli statistics come from the Israeli government, and the Palestinian statistics are based on estimates by several reputable charities and groups operating in the region.

In light of these statistics, it is a far more reasonable argument that Israelis should give up their quest for the land of Palestine, since Palestine hardly seems to be expansionist.

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Debate Round No. 1
juansanchez

Pro

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henryajevans

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
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Con

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Debate Round No. 3
juansanchez

Pro

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henryajevans

Con

One last chance...
Debate Round No. 4
juansanchez

Pro

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Dilara 3 years ago
Dilara
Israel's killed more people than the Palestinians have. Good thing he won.
Posted by Artur 3 years ago
Artur
I would want to vote CON but I have no voting chance, no matter he is right or not, in this debate he has won.
Posted by henryajevans 3 years ago
henryajevans
Exactly, just look at the statistics

Most Israeli civilians killed are illegal settlers
Posted by anonymouse 3 years ago
anonymouse
i;m pretty sure its israel thats killing the innocent civilians
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