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Paramedics disposal of deceased patients

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/13/2015 Category: Health
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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madisonmaylin

Pro

I believe that paramedics should be aloud to dispose of deceased patients instead of taking them all the way to the emergency room to be pronounced dead AGAIN. What if a dead man is in the back of the ambulance and there is no way to revive him and you hear a call that a four month old is in need of some urgent care. The paramedics would be halfway to the hospital to drop off a dead man before the infant received the care that they needed.
WAM

Con

Kind Regards for this Debate.

I will be representing the Con side, meaning that I will argue against 'Paramedics 'disposal' of deceased patients'

Opening statement:

Current Paramedic procedure will normally not see the transportation of deceased in the ambulance, if they were found deceased. If a patient becomes deceased while in the vehicle, they will be transported to the hospital. Paramedics do not have the legal capability to pronounce a patient dead. Only Doctors and Coroners have that power.

First of all I would like to question Pro as to the meaning of 'disposal'. By what it seems like, especially through Pros 'argument' as well as Pros statement "The paramedics would be halfway to the hospital to drop off a dead man", disposal here is to be taken in a sense of 'throwing' away. Otherwise, where would they put the deceased? Who says the morgue is not further than the hospital? Does this not imply that 'disposal' of the deceased would imply the 'throwing away' of deceased patients? Imagine if Paramedics would do this! Please, don't dispose of your deceased via the waste collection system.

Second, as stated above, Paramedics legally cannot announce a person as dead. When a person dies while under the care of the paramedics they should proceed to the hospital, as a deceased would be declared dead there.

A major issue for me is that sometimes Paramedics or even Doctors themselves declare a patient as 'dead' while they are not. Proof for this should be this list of recent cases.

http://www.independent.co.uk... This lady was misdiagnosed several times by the look of it. Which is exactly why Paramedics should not call anyone as deceased, unless they are damn sure about it. Also why they should not 'dispose' of patients.
http://www.independent.co.uk... EMT in this case assumed a man as dead, while he was not. He was actually declared deceased by a medical examiner who then realised that he was still very much alive. Once again, they should not simply assume one is deceased.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk... Another case were paramedics assumed a patient as dead when in fact the patient was alive.
http://www.abc.net.au... Paramedics assume the patient is dead, although they record breathing and leave the scene.

Paramedics do not have the training and possibly not the capabilities to declare a patient as dead. Sure, when this patient has been deceased for days or is missing their head it is quite safe to assume that the patient is deceased. However, a paramedic, while dealing with a patient should not 'dispose' of them on the way to the hospital. First of all, this is unpractical and second of all, while caring for a patient in their vehicle, the paramedic certainly is under some tension and therefore could assume a person is dead while they are not. As to protocol, often it is requirement that when CPR has been administered, it needs to be continued by the paramedics until they reach the hospital and it is not the job of the paramedic to decide if the patient is dead or not. That is not their job.

Conclusion:

In conclusion I am of the firm belief that Paramedics should not 'dispose' deceased patients, as this is neither their job, nor are they capable of doing so in many cases. Furthermore, as already established, paramedics are also legally not able to declare one as dead, and in my opinion also should not be allowed to do so.

Kind Regards, I am looking forward to your arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
madisonmaylin

Pro

madisonmaylin forfeited this round.
WAM

Con

No need for Rebuttals nor extensions..
Debate Round No. 2
madisonmaylin

Pro

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WAM

Con

No need for Rebuttals nor extensions..
Debate Round No. 3
madisonmaylin

Pro

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WAM

Con

No need for Rebuttals nor extensions..
Debate Round No. 4
madisonmaylin

Pro

madisonmaylin forfeited this round.
WAM

Con

Kind regards to my opponent for this "Debate"

As already stated above, there is no need for Rebuttals nor extensions as my opponent did not present a proper argument and forfeited all rounds.

Thus my conclusion still stands unchallenged.

Kind regards to all readers and voters, have a nice day!
Debate Round No. 5
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Reasons for voting decision: Full forfeiture warrants all points to Con.