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Parole boards, not executives, should make final decisions on pardons and clemency.

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Started: 3/6/2011 Category: Society
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debateboy

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well i just want a 3 round debate so this my first entry

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Parole boards, not executives, should make final decisions on pardons and clemency.

DEF:

A parole board is a panel of people who decide whether an offender should be released from prison on parole after serving at least a minimum portion of their sentence as prescribed by the sentencing judge.

A pardon is the forgiveness of a crime and the penalty associated with it. It is granted by a head of state, such as a monarch or president, or by a competent church authority. Commutation is an associated term, meaning the lessening of the penalty of the crime without forgiving the crime itself. A reprieve is the temporary postponement of punishment. Clemency is a general term encompassing all of these Executive: Governor, or president, or leader of a state

Parole boards, not executives, should make final decisions on pardons and clemency

A> Objective: prisoners should feel sorry for their crime

B> Current system by an overwhelming majority, according to Illinois Prison Board:

C> Criminal applies for clemency

  1. The parole board reviews, and gives recommendation to executive
  2. Executive has final decision as to whether to give pardon
  1. Prop

A. Injustice and unfairness in our current system

  1. Executives are one person, and are therefore biased and have nothing to balance out this biased.
  2. Example:
    1. Some US presidents tended to be “nicer” with granting pardons, and some were harsher

NY Times:

Franklin Roosevelt — 3,687 pardons over 13 years (average 284 pardons/year)

Dwight Eisenhower — 1,157 pardons over 8 years (average 145 pardons/year)

John F. Kennedy — 575 pardons over 2 1/2 years ( average 230 pardons/year)

George H.W. Bush — 77 people over 4 years (average 19 pardons/year)

Bill clinton — 459 pardons over 8 years (average 58 pardons/year)

George W. Bush — 200 pardons over 8 years (average 25 pardons/year)

A committee, however -- that is, parole boards -- is made up of different people with different personalities, and therefore, if a committee made the decision, rulings would be more consistent and not drastically varying every four years

Parole boards will make more consistent/better decisions, obviously, (when people vote on a president, he tends to be better than a king who is king by birthright) so parole boards making the decision would be fairer to the convict -- no need to wait for a nice president to submit parole -- and the system as a whole -- no more unfair decisions, or petitions “falling through the cracks”

On the other hand, a parole board is a “panel of people who decide whether to give people parole/pardons/clemency”

What do you want, judge? Something that makes sense, or something that doesn’t make sense?

it is disturbing that the power can be abused in a way that undermines victims' rights and the public's trust

Favoritism

Executives already have enough to do. They don’t need to have this extra power. Their power in this situation is out of control

Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz...\

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  1. Checks and balances
    This is a part of the system of checks and balances, namely that the divisions of government have checks over the others, so that no division gets too much power
  2. Another example of checks and balances: when the congress proposes a bill, the president can either sign it, or veto (cancel) it

This is the same thing as the example, only with pardons and clemency. If the system above has worked for 250 years then for what reason will this identical system not work?
There have been no problems with the current system

Prison forums do not have a single complaint about the system of pardons and clemency (Prison Talk, Prison Place, Prison Planet). Is the issue on pardons and clemency talked about on the news, do people protest it on the streets and complain about it in public? No! If nobody has an issue about it, especially the prisoners, then why change it, potentially causing more problems?

    1. It is not a big issue. We can’t afford to spend time and money changing the rules on something that is not a problem.

Favoritism is not a big issue
How many people does the executive know? Say they know 300 people well who they could have a favoritism for. How many people are there in California? 37 million, US Census. How many people are there in the US? 300 million, US Census. How many people are there in Britain? 62 million, World Bank. What’s the chance of them knowing these people personally?


What’s the chance that an executive will be friends with a criminal (i.e. have a reason for having favoritism for him/her) in the first place?

    1. It’s ridiculous to accuse executives of knowing every single person they help and bail out.
  1. We can trust our executives to make the right decision.

    1. Judge, we the people elect our government executives that would be making these decisions. We should stay out of their decisions.
    2. Whether it be the president or a governor. We should be able to trust them to make the right decisions. After all that is the reason why we elected them in the first place. If we lose trust in our executives it will cause our government system to fall apart.

In the current system, parole boards make the recommendations

    1. Which means: there is still much time and effort put into making the right decision!!!




  1. The current system does not lose anything that the Proposition’s system would gain, so why take all the effort to change it at all? There is no purpose in changing something that isn’t broken.

Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Qynze 6 years ago
Qynze
lol
Posted by ark428 6 years ago
ark428
Fail Ryan. Haha Max.
Posted by XStrikeX 6 years ago
XStrikeX
Qynze, I did not mean I was a classmate of dragondooley.
I am a classmate of debateboy.
Debateboy, don't lie.
Posted by debateboy 6 years ago
debateboy
LOLOLOL I forgot to make debate.org send me updates on the debates....=P and who is dragondooley69?
Posted by dragondooley69 6 years ago
dragondooley69
shut up cake-o
Posted by Qynze 6 years ago
Qynze
@XStrikeX Predictably.

@dragondooley69 That's SO like you.
Posted by dragondooley69 6 years ago
dragondooley69
sexstriksex teehee
Posted by XStrikeX 6 years ago
XStrikeX
I am a living, breathing, Asian human being. :P
Posted by Qynze 6 years ago
Qynze
Who are you XStrikeX?

I, too, am a classmate of dragondooley69...
Posted by XStrikeX 6 years ago
XStrikeX
Dragondooley69's a perv...
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