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Mikegj1077
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mariahsaywhaaa
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Patriotism

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Started: 1/20/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,280 times Debate No: 2033
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Mikegj1077

Pro

I see in your profile that you're against patriotism. Why? My father was shot in the back by Germans in the Rhine operation during WW2. I am a military veteran. When I hear things like this, it makes us feel that our sacrifices are not important to Americans like you.

Rethink your position.
mariahsaywhaaa

Con

Well first of all in our profiles that view isn't are you against patriotism
that view says are you against teaching patriotism in schools. Also just because I'm against simply teaching it in schools doesn't mean i do not support the troops. But even though i may support the troops i do not support the war, i am very active in patriotic things I'm secretary of the ladies aux VFW post 9857.

So maybe before you attack me with your personal stories and such
you should actually read what I'm against.
Debate Round No. 1
Mikegj1077

Pro

"...against teaching patriotism in schools. Also just because I'm against simply teaching it in schools doesn't mean i do not support the troops. But even though i may support the troops i do not support the war..."

How can you support the troops and not support their effort to win the war? Were you against the war on 911 when al-Qaeda attacked us and killed 3000 Americans? Or just when we fight back?

You can't teach patriotism. I'm glad you donate your time to the VFW.
mariahsaywhaaa

Con

Because although they chose to serve there country they
don't get to chose there war, i don't support our war in Iraq
i think we say we are over there for all the right reasons
to cover up why we are really over there.

im not sure i understand what you mean by the war on 911, or fighting
back?!
Debate Round No. 2
Mikegj1077

Pro

We should fight Islamist extremist in the Middle East. Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, they're all involved to one degree or another. Iran, for example, refuses to discontinue its uranium enrichment program. Iran has stated that it wants to wipe Israel of the face of the earth (along with its allies, the US). Should we wait until we are attacked?
mariahsaywhaaa

Con

What makes you think that's inevitable?!

I don't think they should discontinue there
uranium enrichment program why shouldn't they have them.
We have them should we be the only country to have
nuclear war weapons?! I personally think that if i was
a leader of a country and i saw another country
making nuclear war weapons i sure would to.

I don't know this debate has just really gotten
off topic but that's my response to the newish topic?!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
The intelligence suggests they stopped a long while back. And frankly, they don't have enough raw uranium to make any weapon's grade uranium.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://rawstory.com...

It takes 90% enriched uranium to make a bomb only a few % to make a power plant. They got their uranium up to power plant levels. Honestly, that's fine. Nuclear power is cheap and safe. I think we should make sure that countries don't enrich their own uranium and give them power-grade uranium from the outset.
Posted by Mikegj1077 8 years ago
Mikegj1077
"Afghanistan which actually housed the terrorists and was as guilty as any nation could be. Then Iran which stopped enriching uranium years ago..."

Terrorists? They are all over the place, sorry to say.

"Then Iran which stopping enriching uramium years ago?"

Iran's last official position on this is that they will not discontinue their uranium enrichment program (fission, a-bomb). Iran says they will continue, Tat says naw. They didn't mean what they said. Tat followers concur that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons, in spite of Iran saying they are.

We'll see who's right.
Posted by Mikegj1077 8 years ago
Mikegj1077
"This just sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, seeing as how the Pro is lumping all of these countries into one big category based on the actions of their leaders."

In a war, in practical terms you need to lump the population in with the actions of their leaders, even in non-democratic countries. Otherwise they'd be immune to justifiable retaliatory military action. Hitler came to power democratically. We fought Hitler (and the Germans) and defeated Nazism (also Germans). Radical Islam is supported more indirectly through participation in official religious services and the willful compliance of religious doctrine and the mullahs and Grand Ayatollahs. It's surprising the degree to which the people adhere to Islamic doctrine. I'm not concerned about the actions of its leaders, as you say. It's just the 50-thousand Iraqi solders Saddam sent into Kuwait and the thousands of suicide bombers and schemers these organizations set in motion. I have rethought this matter and I always come up with the same answer.
Posted by Smarticles 8 years ago
Smarticles
wow i haven't seen you win one debate mikegj1077
Posted by shwayze 8 years ago
shwayze
reading the new york times and watching CNN or NBC every day will do that to you. it's called denial.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
As opposed to the non-factual reality you seem to enjoy.
Posted by shwayze 8 years ago
shwayze
haha "factual realities."
Posted by bobsatthepub 8 years ago
bobsatthepub
the media just tells the majority what they don't want to hear.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
No. Factual reality seems to side with the "biased liberal view" given my the mainstream media. Checking facts seem to confirm these "biased" views. Clearly the truth has a liberal bias.
Posted by shwayze 8 years ago
shwayze
thank you bobsatthepub you have to take everything with a grain of salt and draw your own opinions.
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