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SincerelySage
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RONDEBATES1211
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Paul Preached A New Gospel

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Started: 1/28/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Debating Period
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SincerelySage

Pro

Resolved

The Apostle Paul preached a novel Gospel of Grace which was not known prior to the revelation given to him by Jesus Christ and which is distinct from the Gospel of the Kingdom preached during Christ's Earthly ministry and by the disciples after His ascension into heaven.



Definitions

Novel - New; not previously known.

Distinct - Separate; apart from; unique.

Gospel of Grace - The good news for all men in this dispensation of Grace whereby one may become part of the Body of Christ, where there is no distinction between Israel and Gentiles, through the faith of Christ, His vicarious death, and His shed blood upon the cross of Calvary, and apart from any works of one's own self, where belief and trust in Christ's finished work of redemption and the power of His atoning blood which has covered all sins once-and-for-all is the only requirement for a salvation which is secured and certain upon belief by the seal of the Holy Spirit.

Gospel of the Kingdom - The good news for Israel in the dispensation of the Kingdom whereby one may attain a position in an Earthly kingdom in the New Jerusalem through one's faith shown forth by his works, beginning with repentance of unbelief in Christ, water baptism for the remission of sin, and perseverance unto the end, thus salvation is an uncertain future event.


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2. Only arguments from scripture will be considered.

3. No logical fallacies or red herrings/slanders!


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Round 2 - Opening Arguments (No Rebuttals)

Round 3 - Rebuttals (No New Arguments)

Round 4 - Defense of Arguments Only (No New Rebuttals or Arguments)

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RONDEBATES1211

Con

Paul preached the same Gospel:

I agree that Paul did create another unrecorded Gospel, but I don't believe that he taught it any different from Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. Paul almost definitely Based his Gospel on the previous Gospels written by Matthew and Mark. Although he has never recorded his teachings he was given the blessing of the Holy Spirit just as the other four. This blessing not only allowed all to understand them but it could have given them knowledge of the life of Jesus. Matthew, Mark, and John (Luke followed their examples) were all with Jesus as he taught, Peter was likewise. Peter, Matthew, Mark and Luke all agreed with Jesus' teachings, had all the same opinions on them, and all taught them as they thought Jesus would. I doubt Peter would have wanted to teach differently than Jesus would.

I look forward to debating with you :)
Debate Round No. 1
SincerelySage

Pro

Opening Arguments

Quite simply, Paul's Gospel was given to him by revelation concerning a mystery which was a hidden secret from the foundation of the world (Romans 16:25, Galatians 1:11-12, Ephesians 3:1-5, Colossians 1:25-27, 1 Timothy 1:11, et al).

Paul preached a Gospel which taught that all men could be saved by grace through faith by believing in the atoning power of the shed blood of Christ on the cross, that Jesus died for their sins, and that through the faith of Christ, we could be justified and forever secure in Christ (Romans 3:25, Romans 5:9, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Galatians 2:16, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:7, et al).

The purpose of the cross was unknown until it was revealed to Paul first (Luke 18:34, Matthew 16:21-23, Timothy 1:16)

The cross was even preached as a shameful indictment of murder against the Jews by Peter after Christ's ascension into heaven (Acts 2:36, Acts 3:13-15, Acts 4:10).

Paul gloried in the cross and sought only the knowledge of the purpose of His crucifixion in his fellow brethren (Galatians 6:14, 1 Corinthians 2:2).

It is my contention that nowhere in Matthew-Acts 8 do we find the purpose of the cross preached, known or understood, and therefore we do not find the Gospel of Grace until it is revealed to Paul (Acts 20:24).
RONDEBATES1211

Con

I will explain what your scriptural evidence means. Peter's revelation WAS that justification and salvation were reached by faith. However, ,Matthew, Mark, Luke and John did also teach about faith, such as the fishing story where Jesus walked on water, and he told Peter to walk to him on the water. When Peter did he started sinking and Jesus cried out "Oh, you of little faith, why did you doubt". (Matthew 14:22-33, Mark 6:45-50)

The meaning of the Cross is not specified in Acts 8 because Acts 8 isn't about the cross. Therefore there is no reason to state the meaning of the Cross. Paul had the same veiws on the cross as being a holy symbol as Matthew, Mark Luke, and John.
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Posted by SincerelySage 6 months ago
SincerelySage
No, I am saying he preached a new Gospel GIVEN to him by revelation of Jesus Christ. It is Christ's Gospel given to Paul to preach to all!
Posted by dsjpk5 6 months ago
dsjpk5
So, are you saying Paul's writings aren't the inspired word of God?
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