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brian_eggleston
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JacobAnderson
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People diagnosed with HIV should be interred in gay flu colonies until a cure for AIDS is found.

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Started: 3/24/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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brian_eggleston

Pro

Until the last century, lepers in China were burned alive to prevent the spread of leprosy which, at that time, was incurable.

Similarly last century, when there was an outbreak of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), or "mad cow disease" as it is more commonly known, beef cattle were burned in their millions, whether they were infected or not.

Happily, vaccines for mad cow disease have now been developed and a cure for leprosy has also been found but, sadly, an even more virulent and deadly disease has now taken their place: the "human immunodeficiency virus" (HIV). HIV leads to the fatal condition "acquired immunodeficiency syndrome" (AIDS), or "gay flu" as it is more commonly known.

Preventing the spread of HIV is a priority but, now that male homosexuality has been legalised in many Western countries, the instances of the dreaded gay flu has spiralled out of control.

Clearly, rounding up all gay men and burning them, regardless of whether they had contracted HIV or not, would be the most effective way of preventing the spread of AIDS but, rightly or wrongly, in much of the developed world, homosexual men are now legally deemed to be "human" and are, therefore, accorded human rights. This means burning gays, even after being humanely slaughtered, is now considered a crime in most Western countries.

However, while the Chinese burned lepers alive the Europeans and Americans adopted a more compassionate approach and, instead of dousing lepers in gallons of high octane BP gasoline and throwing a lighted Zippo at them, they kindly built nice colonies for lepers to relax in until a cure for leprosy was found.

In my modest opinion, burning people, even if they are gay, and even if they have been humanely slaughtered first, and even if it is for the greater good of humanity, seems somewhat barbaric.

Instead, I propose those people diagnosed with HIV should be interred in gay flu colonies until a cure for AIDS is found.

Thank you.

Sources:
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Gay Flu
http://www.cdc.gov...

Leprosy
http://articles.latimes.com...

Mad Cow Disease
http://www.theguardian.com...
http://www.fda.gov...
JacobAnderson

Con

When arguing for this resolution, you cannot neglect the fact that comparing leprocy and BSE to HIV/AIDs is like comparing oranges to apples. The spread of leprocy can be caused by infectious bacteria tranferred from human to human by a simple cough or sneexe from someone infected. BSE, Mad Cow Disease, is found only in cattle and according to my link cannot be transferred to humans. I say you cannot compare these three to each other because HIV is tranferred through sexual relations, birth, or any other human fluid such as blood and sperm. To say that all gay men, some who aren't diagnosed with HIV, should be quarantined is illogical because as long as they don't have sex, they will not spread the disease. If however, a man decides to sleep with someone without asking if they are clean and ends up contracting the disease, this is the man's fault for sleeping with the HIV host. This does not mean that all gay men should be closed off from society because science hasn't found a cure yet.

Questions for you to answer:
1. Why do we not do the same for people with cancer?
2. Why do we not do the same for people with other STDs such as herpes and HPV?

Spread of HIV/AIDS: http://aids.gov...
Spread of Leprocy: http://www.cdc.gov...;
Mad Cow Disease: http://kidshealth.org...;
Debate Round No. 1
brian_eggleston

Pro

I would like to thank Jacob Anderson for accepting this debate and for replying so quickly.

My opponent accused me of comparing apples with oranges but why not? Both apples and oranges are types of fruit that would be attacked by insects if the farmers didn't use pesticides to control them. Similarly, leprosy, mad cow disease and gay flu are all ailments that effect mammals.

Moving on, I didn't propose that all gay men should be interred, rather people who are diagnosed HIV positive. The fact that the vast majority of HIV carriers will be gay men is totally irrelevant.

I should be pleased to answer my opponent's questions as follows:

Q. Why do we not do the same for people with cancer?
A. Because cancer is not contagious.

Q. Why do we not do the same for people with other STDs such as herpes and HPV?
A. Unlike AIDS, these diseases are rarely fatal and they can be cured.

Thank you.
JacobAnderson

Con

I apologize for misquoting you about sending all gays to a separate, isolated community.

You have actually made a strong argument and have answered my questions very well.

However, this does not conclude that HIV positive gay men should be isolated from their family, friends, an society. Like I said earlier, people can get tested for HIV and can let their partner know they are infected before they participate in intercourse. There are many precautions that either individual can take to minimize the chances of getting HIV, whether it be using protection or not participating in intercourse at all.

Thanks for the debate. It was actually one of the better two-round debates.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by JacobAnderson 2 years ago
JacobAnderson
For some reason, my 2nd and 3rd link are not working.
Leprosy: http://www.cdc.gov...
BSE: http://kidshealth.org...

Also, I may have misspelled leprosy in my argument, sorry.
Posted by SPENCERJOYAGE14 2 years ago
SPENCERJOYAGE14
This looks like it will be a good debate.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro neglected to realize that HIV/AIDS is not a "gay flu". By using outdated and biased assumptions as the basis of his position makes his argument highly flawed and unsupported.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro showed that a precedence has already been set for quarantining infectious people. Con failed to show why internment camps for HIV people shouldn't take place. Con gave alternative solutions in the final round but failed to show how they would be superior.