The Instigator
smurfy101
Pro (for)
The Contender
brody5
Con (against)

People in the United States aren't paid less solely because they are women.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/19/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 10 months ago Status: Debating Period
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smurfy101

Pro

Ground rules: No new arguments in the last round. This includes counter-arguments, but you can back up ones you have made with new sources and statistics. Provide sources for arguments and statistics that are not common knowledge.

Burdens: The Pro has to prove that women are not paid less for the same work as men. The Con has to prove the opposite.

Argument 1: The pay gap doesn't take into account life choices. According to Forbes (https://www.forbes.com...), the gender pay gap doesn't factor in years of experience and education or hours worked. In fact, men generally work more hours than women on average.

Argument 2: The wage gap isn't "enforced". There are three prongs to this argument. First, according to the Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com...), there is no smoking gun. No businesses advertise "we do not hire women" or "we pay women less". Second, according to the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission (https://www.eeoc.gov...) the Equal Pay Act of 1963 already makes wage discrimination based on gender illegal. If the only reason a company has for paying a woman less is gender, they are breaking an existing law. The third prong is based on logic. If businesses could pay women less because they are women, they would only hire women. They obviously don't.

Argument 3: There are far fewer women in STEM fields. (That's common knowledge, I can provide a link in the next round if you dispute it.) STEM fields are VERY lucrative and high-paying. They can probably get you a tenured professorship or at least a very steady salary in the top 10%. Since wage gap statistics don't take different jobs into account, this contributes heavily to the "wage gap".

Conclusion: The "wage gap" is actually because of factors other than women being paid less simply for being women.
brody5

Con

The bigotry of men who seek to control women and disempower them are the root of this problem. They seek to control women by forcing them to accept a lower standard of pay. Women are often much better at their jobs than men and as a man I think many men are lazy pigs who only want their wife to cook and clean for them. Male bosses give them a lower pay to force them to be ale to do nothing but cook, clean and care. Look at the facts THE WAGE GAP IS REAL.
Debate Round No. 1
smurfy101

Pro

Let's take Con's case line by line.

"The bigotry of men who seek to control women and disempower them are the root of this problem."

Well, I find this notion absurd. Not just because Con provides no evidence of this "brotherhood", but because this never happens. It is ILLEGAL to force someone to do something, especially work sans pay (13th Amendment), and this includes housework (referred to later by Con). Someone must do it of their own free will.

"They seek to control women by forcing to accept a lower standard of pay."

Again, there's no evidence here. And, if you look to my evidence, which Con didn't refute, there is no lower standard. This lower standard is banned thanks to the Equal Pay Act of 1963 and 14th Amendment.

"Women are often much better at their jobs than men..."

There's no proof here, and if Con claims common knowledge, he can't, men are OFTEN better at very physical jobs, but at the end of the day, it's up to the individual.

"...and as a man I think many men are lazy pigs who only want their wife to cook and clean for them."

Well, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Con hasn't provided an ounce. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

"Male bosses give them a lower pay to force them to be able to do nothing but cook, clean, and care."

Well, I see no evidence of this worldwide conspiracy proposed by Con, have never been benefited from it, and cannot possibly think of a good motive. Bosses want to make their company money. If they could pay women less, they'd only hire women.

"Look at the facts THE WAGE GAP IS REAL."

Con has presented no evidence to this point, and I have presented immense evidence to the contrary. Con's assertions about male bigotry do nothing to change the fact that men work more hours on average, gender discrimination is illegal, and there are far fewer women who apply for jobs in STEM fields. Vote Pro.
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Posted by Commondebator 11 months ago
Commondebator
I could easily bring up how woman are paid less solely because they are woman IN OTHER COUNTRIES. Should probably specify which country your referring to.
Posted by smurfy101 11 months ago
smurfy101
Done
Posted by dsjpk5 11 months ago
dsjpk5
You should change the resolution. The wage gap exists, but may not exist because of gender
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