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F-16_Fighting_Falcon
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aircraftmechgirl
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People not born in the United States should be eligible to run for president.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/20/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Pro

The United States has always been a nation of immigrants. The vast majority of people are immigrants or the descendants of immigrants. It is different from many countries in Africa, Asia or Europe where people have existed for thousands of years. Currently, in order to be eligible for office as the president of the United States, the candidate must be a native born, not naturalized citizen of the United States. However, I feel that naturalized citizens would be able to perform the duties of president just as well as a US born citizen. I want to keep this debate short and concise hence the 2000 word limit. I look forward to an interesting debate. At this point I don't see any logical reason to make a distinction between native born and naturalized citizens so Con can start off by debating right away. Round 1:Explain why you think there is a distinction between native born and naturalized citizens and why the former are better qualified to be president. I'll leave rounds 2 to 4 flexible for debate and rebuttal but round 5 is for rebuttal only, no new points.
aircraftmechgirl

Con

The 14th Amendment governs this issue, and states in part that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

There are three ways in which someone can claim American citizenship. The first is called "jus soli," which means right of the soil. In other words, you were born here. The second is called "jus sanguinis," or right of blood. This means your parents were citizens. What makes a native, or natural born citizen, is when someone can claim both jus soli and jus sanguinis; they were born in America to citizen parents. The parents can be naturalized for jus sanguinis to apply, but the point is that they are citizens and therefore "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." They have no loyalty to a foreign power, having “absolutely and entirely renounce[d] and abjure[d] all allegiance and fidelity” to their native land, and sworn their loyalty to the United States.

The 14th Amendment (and supporting contemporary writings) shows the clear intent of the Founding Fathers: That anyone holding office in America must be American by birth, not by naturalization.

The worry was that someone who still owed allegiance to another nation (and therefore, foreign interests that could be contrary to the interest of the United States) would have a child, and then raise that child in a foreign land. Giving the child citizenship would then allow the child--raised in another culture with another set of interests--would then come back to the US and run for office. The presidential eligibility clause in Section 1992 was written to stop this from happening.

The Founding Fathers sought to ensure that only native-born American citizens, born in this country to parents loyal to the United States, could run for President. This made certain that the nation would be safe from foreign influence brought in by non-Americans who may or may not have Americans' best interests at heart.




Debate Round No. 1
F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Pro

For the purposes of this discussion on presidential eligibilty, if Con agrees, we can divide US citizens into 4 categories

1) People who were born in the US to US citizen parents
2) People who were born outside the US to US citizen parents
3) People who were born in the US to non US citizen parents
4) People who were born outside the US to non US citizen parents but are naturalized citizens

I am arguing that not just people from Categories 2 and 3 should be eligible, but also people from Category 4.
I have three main points to argue:

1)My response to the argument about foreign loyalty is that it can prevented by the requirement that they must have been a permanent resident of the United States for at least 14 years before they are eligible.

2) The eligibility requirement is archaic. It was made to allay concerns that foreign aristocrats would immigrate to the new nation and use their wealth and influence to impose a monarchy on the new nation. This was made a long time ago when the British were ruling the United States. It is highly unlikely that foreign aristocrats in this day could get elected to be president just because they have a lot of wealth. All this requirement does is prevent immigrants from running for office despite them being loyal to the United States. In a nation characterized by over five hundred years of continous large scale immigration from Europe, Africa, and Asia this goes against American values.

3) To make sure that Category 4 is loyal to the United States, a law such as the Hatch bill could be introduced. It states "A person who is a citizen of the United States, who has been for 20 years a citizen of the United States, and who is otherwise eligible to the Office of President, is not ineligible to that Office by reason of not being a native born citizen of the United States."
This would ensure that people who have a proven record of loyalty to the United States such as Arnold Schwarzeneger would be eligible to run for president if they wanted to.
aircraftmechgirl

Con

aircraftmechgirl forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Pro

I hope that aircraftmechgirl is doing well and can take time out of her busy schedule to participate in the next round.
aircraftmechgirl

Con

aircraftmechgirl forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Pro

So far I refuted all of my opponent's arguments and mine are yet to be refuted. Still waiting on my opponent.
aircraftmechgirl

Con

aircraftmechgirl forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
aircraftmechgirl

Con

aircraftmechgirl forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by imscrappy 5 years ago
imscrappy
I support the 14th Amendment and Title 8 of the U.S. Code. The assurance that the most senior leader in the executive branch of the US is loyal to, and will govern in the best interest of, the country and its citizens is best provided by electing only those who are least likely to have a key interest in another country (i.e. a former citizen of another sovereignty). While this is no guarantee of true loyalty to the US, it is a major risk mitigation rule to protect the sovereignty of US.
Posted by F-16_Fighting_Falcon 5 years ago
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Are you going to be continuing this debate?
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