The Instigator
MarcusAurelius
Pro (for)
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The Contender
zmikecuber
Con (against)
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12 Points

People who have Good Grades aren't Truly Intelligent.

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after 3 votes the winner is...
zmikecuber
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/30/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,036 times Debate No: 44944
Debate Rounds (4)
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MarcusAurelius

Pro

I will be arguing about how individuals with great report cards are not truly intelligent even though I feel that many consider them to be. Please no trolling in the debate, no personal insults, and no semantics. I will greatly acknowledge who ever is willing to debate with me.


Round 1- Acceptance

Round 2- Arguments

Round 3- Counters

Round 4- More Counters and Closing Statements

I would like to furthermore like to add that for this purpose I will be calling those with good grades "smart" or "book smart" and those who are smart philosophically, politically, ethically, etc. will be "intelligent". They both may mean the same time but I will use those words just to differentiate my comparison with those types of people.
zmikecuber

Con

I accept this debate. It seems to me that the claim "People who have good grades are not truly intelligent" is a very magnificent one. Thus, the BoP should be on my opponent to show that people with good grades are not truly intelligent.

Definitions
My opponent has provided a few definitions, and I'd like to reiterate them for clarity.

Intelligent: "[being] smart philosophically, politically, ethically, etc."
Smart/book smart: "those with good grades."

So my opponent must show that those who are smart, or book smart, and thus have good grades, are not intelligent in the sense of being smart philosophically, politically, or ethically.

Over to Pro!
Debate Round No. 1
MarcusAurelius

Pro

MarcusAurelius forfeited this round.
zmikecuber

Con

Unfortunately, my opponent has forfeited. Alas! I was looking forward to a fun debate. I do hope he shall return for the later rounds.

As of now, the resolution remains unaffirmed, and my opponent has not met his BoP.
Debate Round No. 2
MarcusAurelius

Pro

MarcusAurelius forfeited this round.
zmikecuber

Con

Forfeit once again. I shall briefly go over my argument.

Being smart philosophically, politically, ethically, etc. (being intelligent) and getting good grades are not mutually exclusive. While it may not always be the case that if you get good grades, that you are then intelligent, this is extremely possible.

If a person is smart philosophically, politically, ethically, etc. it is perfectly possible for him to be book smart in addition to these qualities. While the two may not always go together, it is unwise to assume that they can never go together.
Debate Round No. 3
MarcusAurelius

Pro

MarcusAurelius forfeited this round.
zmikecuber

Con

Ah, well, please vote Con!
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by zmikecuber 3 years ago
zmikecuber
And the resolution is "People who have good grades aren't truly intelligent." Not "some people" which I would agree with, but "people who have good grades." I assumed that meant all people who "have good grades."
Posted by zmikecuber 3 years ago
zmikecuber
Well I agree, that just because you have good grades, it doesn't follow that you are "intelligent." However, I see it as very possible for someone who is "intelligent" to get good grades! I'm just saying that there doesn't seem to be anything impossible about someone being intelligent, and getting good grades. So, I think we should accept that as a possibility.

I'm sure we all know intelligent people who get bad grades. We also know people who get good grades that aren't intelligent. But there's also the option of intelligent people who also get good grades.
Posted by Defro 3 years ago
Defro
Since the debate is over and in voting period I assume I am allowed to have a say in this?

Con fails to realize that there are people who achieved their grades by unethical means. I'm sure there are several students who cheated their way throughout their school life, copying their friends' assignments/tests.

Arguably, one could say that by being able to cheat like this, a person is smart in his own way. But this shows that they are not smart ETHICALLY, as mentioned by Con in Round 1.
Posted by Tophatdoc 3 years ago
Tophatdoc
Interesting choice of topic. From personal experience, I agree with Pro because I am extremely lazy and style myself as the "Professional C Student." I intentionally plan to get C's long before the semester even begins. No effort for no pay is my philosophy. But I am very interested in the arguments that will be presented by both sides.
Posted by Juan_Pablo 3 years ago
Juan_Pablo
zmikecuber, I understand your desire not to provide your opponent with ammunition, but if you pay close attention I actually gave both of you something to defend your positions with.

Anyways, sorry. I'll abstain from providing either of you ammunition in this debate until after you two have finished your rounds. :))
Posted by P1993 3 years ago
P1993
Very relevant to me personally, there have been moments I have felt that some were getting better grades than others though they weren't putting in the same work rate. It will be interesting to seethe arguments develop :D
Posted by zmikecuber 3 years ago
zmikecuber
Juan_Pablo,

Maybe we should keep the discussing of the topic of this debate to a minimum, so that it's fair? :P I'm just saying that because I know if I were my opponent, I wouldn't like anyone saying stuff that could be used against me.

Just a suggestion
Posted by Juan_Pablo 3 years ago
Juan_Pablo
Hmmm . . . interesting resolution.

I believe people with good grades have excellent memory retention. I believe this also increases their capacity to reason and to think through a problem. However, good grades doesn't indicate a person will always do so. In fact, I have found blaring examples when they have not.

However, having mediocre and poor grades doesn't indicate a person is more intelligent. The opposite is frequently true.
Posted by dtaylor971 3 years ago
dtaylor971
Interesting... I'll follow this.
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Vote Placed by bladerunner060 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for the forfeits. As to arguments, Con actually presented a case (though, since Pro didn't make any case whatsoever, it really wasn't even strictly necessary for his victory), and so gets the points. S&G were equal enough, and nobody sourced. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.
Vote Placed by Krazzy_Player 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Full forfeit by Pro.
Vote Placed by Defro 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeited