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Ore_Ele
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Phone's in School

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Started: 2/16/2010 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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The_Light_of_L

Pro

Phone's should be allowed in school for several reasons. For one if a student is absent from class and he/she needs to finish an assignment, a helpfull student can text that student that is absent thus saving the missing student from recieving a bad grade. The helpful student could just text the missing student as soon as he knows what the assignment is. When phone's are prohibited during class the helpful child might/ will still text the missing student and is risking getting caught and phone taken away.
The fact here is that many students bring prohibited phone's into the school and still text others during their classes without disrupting the class (as long as they don't get caught.) When these students get caught it is the teachers that disrupt the class by making a big ordeal about the student communicating with another student. If these students have there phone's on vibrate this should not disrupt the classes.
If we let children have phone's in class the children won't have to buy things such as calculators becuase many phones have calculators built in. Thus saving families money.
More examples when someone accepts.
Ore_Ele

Con

I thank Pro for starting this debate.

I will first counter Pro's arguments and then present my own.

1) "For one if a student is absent from class and he/she needs to finish an assignment..."

There is nothing preventing said helpful student from contacting the individual that missed class after school, as was done before cell phones became popular among school kids.

2) "When these students get caught it is the teachers that disrupt the class by making a big ordeal about the student communicating with another student. If these students have there phone's on vibrate this should not disrupt the classes."

students texting each other in class is the same as talking in class (as it is just a non-vocal form of communication), which is traditionally not allowed during lectures or exams, because is interferes with the learning process and does disrupt the class. The teacher's duty is to do their best so that everyone learns the material as best as possible. Texting (or gaming or music, which can be done on many phones) draws attention away from the class and from the teacher, thus making it a distraction.

3) "If we let children have phone's in class the children won't have to buy things such as calculators becuase many phones have calculators built in."

The calculators in phones are often subpar. Even the calculator in the iPhone is only about as good as a $10 calculator. These will not suffice in any kind of algebra or higher math class or in a physics or chemistry class, and so calculators will still need to be purchased. So no money is saved.

There are a verity of reasons why cell phones are not allowed. From cheating on tests to actually using them to harass teachers (I had a teacher in high school that would be cracked called by students using their phones hidden under their desks) [1], to a disturbing growing trend of arranging fights to record with their camera phone. [1][2][3][4]

[1] http://educationalissues.suite101.com...
[2] http://www.kplctv.com...
[3] http://wcco.com...
[4] http://archives.chicagotribune.com...
Debate Round No. 1
The_Light_of_L

Pro

I would like to thank con for the hasty response. And I apologize for my slow response.
"There is nothing preventing said helpful student from contacting the individual that missed class after school"
This may be true but what if the absent student needed to quickly finish the assignment because the missing student has a prior engagement that cannot be skipped/ avoided. The school office would hardly let the helpful student (for conventional purposes i shall now call him Timmy) call the missing student (I will call this missing student Sally) to tell her about what assignment/s she needs to finish. If phones were allowed in the classroom Timmy could text Sally and let her know what she needs to finish the moment Timmy knows. Thus this allows Sally to complete the assignment and turn it in on time the next day.
"students texting each other in class is the same as talking in class (as it is just a non-vocal form of communication), which is traditionally not allowed during lectures or exams, because is interferes with the learning process and does disrupt the class."
This should not disrupt the class because the whole class is not recieving a text message just the student as long as the student does not tell others about what was said in the text message by talking ;the text message should not disrupt the class. Many students (even when phones arent allowed) text with their phone barely sticking out of their pocket, jacket pocket, and/or purse without dirsupting the class.
I understand how you believe that texting in class would be diruptive to the child's learning but it seems to me that you are assuming children will recieve the text messages all the time during lectures. A policy that teachers can apply is to allow students about 45 secoonds every 7 or 8 min to allow students to check their phone's and reply. To recieve you must give a little. When students are not confined to being secretive and feel trapped about their texting many students will wait for that time to text back to whoever texted them in the first place.
"most calculators in phones are sub-par..."
This may be true but most calculators are in math classes where they belong not in all other classes. If a student needed a calculator for example Business Communication. You do not need a hyped-up calculator to figure percentages and money addition and subtraction in class. Just today I had a test in my Business Comm. class and I was allowed to use the calculator on my phone and it worked fine for myself and others who needed a calculator. Also if there are no calculators in your class you must leave class (disrupting the class) and go to a math class, take a calculator and leave (thus interrupting the learning process in the said math class.)
Ore_Ele

Con

A very interesting "what if" senerio, however, if the student that missed school had attended school that day, he would not have had time to finish the homework anyway. If this activity is all day and it is 100% unchangable, then the students parents should be able to talk to the teachers to get an extension, as did my parents when I had to attend my grandfather's funeral.

"I understand how you believe that texting in class would be diruptive to the child's learning but it seems to me that you are assuming children will recieve the text messages all the time during lectures." Some people send over 10,000 a month[1], with many people (almost all in highschool) sending over 5,000 a month[2]. Obviously they won't be texting the entire time, but that isn't the issue is it. Texting is communication which is designed to have a conversation style to it, so that once the conversation has begun, it keeps going, and that can greatly interfere with classes.

"A policy that teachers can apply is to allow students about 45 secoonds every 7 or 8 min to allow students to check their phone's and reply." That would be a horrible policy because that would guarantee that class would be interupted every 7 to 8 minutes every single day. This would greatly effect testing as answers could very easily be sent back and forth, and any lectures or experiments would be greatly negatively impacted by this. The school day would also have to be extended over 30 minutes a day just to make up for the lost time. This also goes against your other points that students won't be texting that much. If they aren't texting that much, why would they need to have their education interupted every several minutes for them to check their messages? That is borderline addiction.

[1] http://www.intomobile.com...
[2] http://answers.yahoo.com...
Debate Round No. 2
The_Light_of_L

Pro

You my friend have a great mind and i concede from this debate you have points i cannot dispute. You Win.
Ore_Ele

Con

okay, I guess I'll just forward this to voting then.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
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You got the Atheist vote bomb you OreEle...
Posted by Ore_Ele 7 years ago
Ore_Ele
Click on "edit" next to "profile" in the "my personal menu" then click on "picture"
Posted by The_Light_of_L 7 years ago
The_Light_of_L
Hey stupid questiojn but im new here so how do I chang emy profile pic.?
Posted by The_Light_of_L 7 years ago
The_Light_of_L
Dang i just realized that was a really weak argument that i posted...
Posted by The_Light_of_L 7 years ago
The_Light_of_L
sorry about the 3000 character thing but i'd rather not read 10 pages of things so i thought i would make it about 3000
Posted by Ore_Ele 7 years ago
Ore_Ele
Sorry, lol
Posted by Ore_Ele 7 years ago
Ore_Ele
The 3,000 character limit is sad, but can be worked around.
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
DANGIT. I was just about to accept this.
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