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Pikachu vs Jibanyan

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Started: 5/25/2016 Category: Games
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PowerPikachu21

Con

Two mascots of Monster Collection games, Pikachu from Pokemon, and Jibanyan from Yo-kai Watch. I believe Jibanyan has the upper paw in this match up.

Rules:

1. This isn't a fight to the death, as Jibanyan is unable to die, as he's a spiritual reincarnation. This is a fight until the opponent can no longer go on.
2. The fight will take place in Jibanyan's hometown, Springdale.
3. Both sides are required to demonstrate the following stats: Power, Speed, Durability, Abilities, and Helper. [If you want more stats to be required, say so in the comments before accepting]
4. Elaborating on the "Helper" stat, we will also unclude Ash Ketchum, Pikachu's trainer, and Nathan Adams, Jibanyan's friend (Master).
5. We will only be referring to the cartoons. Anything exclusive to the video games, like the Light Ball, or any other held items won't count.
6. Forfeiting counts as an instant loss. Make sure you do lots of research, like Screw Attack would do. And make sure you're ready.
7. No Trolling, Kritiks, Semantics, etc.

And just a reminder, I'm suggesting Jibanyan would win. I'll demonstrate this in the next round. My opponent will be suggesting Pikachu will win, and will show this in the 2nd Round. First round is acceptance only, and no new arguments in the final round. I look forward to an interesting debate.
Strategery

Pro

Why does Jibanyan get hometown advantage? I want it noted for the record that you've already rigged the debate in your favor and should have to forefit conduct points. Even so though, Jibnyan will still probably lose.
Debate Round No. 1
PowerPikachu21

Con

I thank Strategery for accepting this debate. Let's get into why Jibanyan would beat Pikachu in a battle. To remind everybody, the winner will be based off of the following stats: Power, Speed, Durability, Abilities, and their Trainer. Let's begin.

Power;

Jibanyan's main attack is the Paws of Fury, which isn't effective against extremely powerful opponents such as Gargaros. However, it's still decently effective on opponents that aren't overpowered, such as Pikachu.

Speed;

Jibanyan can go pretty fast. In episode 1, Jibanyan has been hit by cars, launched many feet away, only to run right back in little time, and keep at it.

Durability;

Jibanyan is also pretty durable. Ever since he became a Yo-kai, he's been training daily, attempting to destroy a truck with his Paws of Fury. Every time, however, he kept getting hit, only to come back and try again! His durability and determination makes up for his lack of raw power.

Abilities;

Jibanyan may not be too strong, but, as a Yo-kai, he's able to Inspirit, or possess, his enemies. When Jibanyan inspirits an opponent, he makes them run in the way of incoming traffic, which is very painful, in case you didn't know.

Trainer;

Unlike Pokemon, Yo-kai don't require trainers to do well in combat. But Jibanyan does better with a close friend nearby, as he's said in the show. Cheering him on will be Nathan Adams, Jibanyan's friend. Nate is also a quick thinker, and can come up with strategies pretty quickly, as shown several times in the show.

Summary:

Jibanyan may be lacking in brute force, but his Paws of Fury is still effective. His daily traffic training demonstrates amazing speed and durability prowess. He's been hit by several cars, and can force his opponents to face the same fate.

And now it's time for a Battle!!
Strategery

Pro

Thanks.

Pikaboo's Powers

Star Power & Celebrity - Pikachu is a pop culture icon and clearly the fan favorite in any fight against Jibanyan. Not only has Pikachu starred in his own video games, TV series, and Hollywood films, but he also has own trading cards, comic books, and DDO profiles as well. Therefore, in the event that anime fans and comic book geeks were to actually get together and draw an official fight between Pikachu and Jibanyan, we should count on Pikachu winning due to overwhelming fan popularity and bias.

Thunder, Thunderbolt, Shock, Electro Ball & Electric Attack - Pikachu is an electric pokemon capable of shocking or stunning his opponents with up to 100,000 volts of electricity. Pkiachu's electric attacks are so powerful, has even been shown to defeat ground type pokemon by using only electric shocks, which would normally do no damage at all.

Leer - Ash's Pikachu showed the godlike ability to use Leer in JE034: Hour of the Houndour, which means Jibanyan pretty much loses this fight automatically. By drastically altering his face and features (and by awkwardly staring at his opponent like an idiot) Pikachu has demonstrated the ability to lower the defenses of any opponent.

Volt Tackle - One of Pikachu's most powerful attacks. In Pikachu vs. Blanka, Screwattack described this attack as having close to one megaton worth of force, which of course is equivalent to one million tons of TNT (http://www.britannica.com...).

Iron Tail - Pikachu is an accomplished melee fighter, but one of his best melee attacks is the Iron Tail. With Iron Tail, Pikachu's tail becomes as hard as vibranium alloy, where he is able to b*** slap opponents with it.

Surf - Pikachu has shown in the anime the ability to use surf and travel over water by using a surfboard. Meaning he can fight on land or at sea.

Flight - Pikachu has shown the ability to fly through the use of balloons or by riding on the backs of flying pokemon.


Pikaboo's Speed

Quick attack - Pikachu is one of the fastest pokemon in the pokemon universe and is able to fight and run at breathtaking speeds, often creating mirror images of himself while fighting.

Agility - Pikachu is nimble enough to dodge missiles, flamethrowers, lasers, and lighting bolts. Combined with his amazing speed, Pikachu's acrobatic agility is unrivaled.

Pikaboo's Durability

Super Smash Bros Durability- Pikachu is one of Ash's most powerful pokemon being able to defeat psuedo-legendary pokemon such as Metagross and Dragonite and even actual legendary pokemon such as Regice. He was also capable of fighting Tobias' powerful Latios to a draw, despite the fact that Electric type moves are not very effective against Dragon types.

Pikaboo's Abilities

Leadership - Pickachu is clearly considered the leader of Ash's pokemon, whereas he has often demonstrated to be an able tactician and brilliant strategist while leading a group. We therefore should not underestimate Pikachu's ability to use diplomacy or inspire others to aid him in a fight against Jibanyan.

Human Like Intelligence - Pikachu is wicked smart, has shown he can understand humans, use human tools, drive human vehicles, use a computer, and even say its own name.

Harry Potter Luck - In Pokemon episode 1, Pikachu was presented to Ash Ketchup in a pokeball with the emblem of a lightning bolt, clearly indicating (like Harry Potter's famous scar) that he is the chosen one with a unique destiny, and therefore blessed by the cartoon gods and writers.

The Raichu Factor - By choosing to use a moonstone, Pikachu has option to evolve on to Raichu. Raichu of course, is like Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog on steroids.

The Team Rocket Factor - Where ever there is Ash and Pikachu, Team Rocket is never far behind. While this could be a negative for Pikachu, it is far more likely they would interfere on Pikachu's behalf, seeing as how Jibanyan is a far more rare monster than Pikachu, and the fact that Pikachu and Ash always seem to defeat Team Rocket.

History of Cartoon Cat vs. Mouse - Pikachu is a cartoon mouse, whereas Jibanyan is clearly a cat, and the history of cartoon cat vs. mouse matchups shows that the mouse always wins. This is true with Tom vs. Jerry, Speedy Gonzalez, Itchy and Scratchy, Stuart Little, and Pikachu vs. Meowth.

Ash Ketchum/ Helper

Super Human Durability - Ash Ketchum has superhuman durability and could be immortal. He has repeatedly been zapped, hosed, torched, blasted, water boarded, and chomped on, but has never yet suffered any lethal injuries. The one time he was temporary incapacitated in the 1st Pikaboo movie, he was miraculously able to preserve his body by turning himself into stone – never dying. This means Ash could be a formidable melee fighter should he choose to interfere.

Ridiculously Good Luck - Once again, Ash Ketchum has shown he is insanely lucky with superhuman instincts and durability, but more than that he always seems to win against impossible odds, even though Team Rocket and co constantly try to stop him.

Sensitive To Magic - Humans in the pokemon universe have shown able to use magic and psychic powers, such as telekinesis, transformation, force fields, and the ability to read minds. Ash Ketchup has dabbled with magic before, and could do so again against Jibanyan.

Scumbag Hat Transformation - Ash Ketchum has the ability to transform himself into a super saiyan by turning his backwards in the middle of a fight. Once Ash Ketchum wears his hat backwards, his senses become keener, his attitude becomes darker, his adrenaline picks up, his muscles bulge, and his focus increases. You do not want to mess with Ash Ketchum when he wears his hat backwards.

Pokemon Master Determination & Theme Song - Ash wants to be "the very best," but "no one ever was..." Meaning Ash has superior mental fortitude, courage, and discipline compared to Nathan Adams.

Pokedex, Pokeball, & Equipment Factor - Ash Ketchup is able to evaluate the strength and weaknesses of cartoon monsters by using his Pokedex. With this invaluable tool, he is able to plan and change tactics on the go. He also carries pokeballs for capturing monsters, and a backpack with all sorts of useful Batman tools and gadgets.

Debate Round No. 2
PowerPikachu21

Con

I thank Strategery for posting his argument. With that, let's see what's wrong with his explanation for a Pikachu victory.

Rebuttal:

Biased Victory;

His first argument is that Pikachu is more famous, and would get a biased victory. In case you didn't know, the winner is based off of strength and durability, not biased popularity. For this reason, voters can just ignore this point altogether.

Strength:

Electric Power; Yes, Pikachu is quite powerful. I'll have to concede that, however, keep in mind Jibanyan has taken many hits, and was never disabled.

Leer; Okay, I don't remember Pikachu using Leer. I'm going to watch that episode... Actually, do I have to? I've seen every episode of the Black/White series, and Pikachu never used Leer there. I'm personally a bit skeptical as to if Pikachu does use Leer, if often.

Volt Tackle; One megaton... I personally don't think Jibanyan has been through THAT kind of force, but keep in mind Pikachu still lost that fight against Blanka (He was without Ash, but still).

Volt Tackle is powerful, but there's a catch! When Pikachu uses it, he takes 33% recoil damage. Assuming Jibanyan takes a ton of damage, Pikachu will be damaged a lot in the process. ScrewAttack mentions this in the Blanka fight. Knowing this, Ash won't use this move very often.

Surf; Nice. Pikachu can surf. So what? This isn't a coolness contest! It's a battle. This point is irrelevant. (I know Surf is a Pokemon attack, but Pikachu is unable to use it, both in the video games, and anime) Flight; Ash probably isn't going to bring balloons. That's also against the rules to bring a held item. Plus, How will Pikachu call forth a flying pokemon? Ash won't be able to call forth reinforcements, as this is only between Pikachu and Jibanyan.

Speed:

Quick Attack; Yes, Pikachu can use quick attack to get free hits, but it's not exactly powerful. I concede it is a good attack, though.

Agility; Yes, Pikachu has dodged normally speedy attacks, but remember he still gets hit in the anime. But, as Pro stated, Pikachu is pretty fast. I'll have to concede this point as well.

Durability:

Yes, Pikachu is quite durable, and could probably take a few car hits. But keep in mind Jibanyan is almost equal, if not more, durable than Pikachu.

Abilities:

Leadership; Again, this is a fight between only Pikachu and Jibanyan. Plus, this is taking place in Jibanyan's world, but Pikachu's, so there's no reinforcements to even hire.

Intelligence; Jibanyan is also smart. He can understand humans, he can read, he can speak full sentences, and come up with strategies on his own. Although I don't see how this helps at all.

Expelliarmus! (It's been a while, okay?); Nice, Pikachu and Harry Potter have lightning. This is just a coincidence and doesn't mean anything.

Raichu; ... Hahaha. Sorry, it's just that Pro's wrong on a few facts. 1) It's the Thunderstone which Pikachu uses to evolve, not Moonstone. (Minor detail, but still) 2) In the anime, Pikachu refuses to evolve. Ash respects this, and won't force Pikachu to evolve.

Giovanni would be happy with a Yo-kai!; 1) Team Rocket would be an annoyance more than anything. I won't allow for them to show up. 2) Even if I allowed for the annoyance, and they captured Jibanyan, Nate possesses the Yo-kai Watch, which allows him to teleport Jibanyan back into the battle. And Ash and Pikachu would probably kick their butts as well.

A game of Cat and Mouse; This is a logical fallacy. Yes, Jerry always defeats Tom, and Itchy cures his Itch For Murder by murdering Scratchy, but this is just comic relief. Besides, even if the mouse wins in cartoons, that doesn't mean in an actual fight, the mouse would still win.

Trainer: Ash Ketchum

Ash Ketchum sent out Ash Ketchum!; Okay, in the movie, it wasn't Ash who turned himself into stone, it was the attack combination of Mew and Mewtwo. Also, Pro says "Ash could be a formidable melee fighter should he choose to interfere." Should he choose to interfere, which we've never seen Ash actually battle a pokemon, whether owned or wild. Like a normal pokemon trainer, Ash lets his pokemon do the battling. And I doubt Ash himself will battle.

Luck; There isn't necessarily luck in this battle, except if you count cars as luck. So, this means little. Voters can decide for themselves, though.

Ash Ketchum went to Hogwarts!; Okay, send us a link of this. Last time I checked, this isn't Final Fantasy, and humans can't use magic even in the Pokemon world. Hang on... "telekinesis, transformation, force fields, and the ability to read minds" Those exact traits seems familiar... Ah well! Moving on! (Hahaha. Just can't contain my laughter.) But Pro, please source this. Also, show that Ash can indeed use these powers, this especially.

Super Saiyan Hat; Okay, Pro is obviously trolling in this debate, which is against the rules. Magic, Surfing, and now saying that when Ash is serious, he becomes powerful by turning his hat.

The very best like no one ever was; Again, Pro's just having fun. A theme song is, simply, a theme song, and nothing more than a song.

Equipment; The Pokedex has no data on Jibanyan, since he's not a Pokemon. Pokeballs won't do anything, since there are no pokemon nearby, because 1) The battle doesn't use reinforcements, and 2) It's Jibanyan's world, so there's isn't even any pokemon in the area! Also, Pro, what else does Ash carry in his backpack, and how often does he use said items?

Observation:

I realise what Pro is getting at. The rules never states that reinforcements aren't allowed. But the debate is "Pikachu vs Jibanyan", not "Ash Ketchum vs Nathan Adams". So I suggest, by the resolution itself, that Pro refrain from bringing in reinforcements. Let's make this a fair fight, eh?

Closing Thoughts: Next round, Strategery will attempt to refute my claims of Jibanyan, and defend his own claims. Let's see what comes next.

Battle Tally:

Power: Pikachu, by a lot.

Speed: Close

Durability: Close, Pikachu has taken on numerous strong foes. Jibanyan has dealt with being ran over practically daily.

Abilities: Jibanyan (Not counting electricity, Pikachu has no real abilities. Jibanyan has his Inspirit technique)

Helper: Close, both Ash and Nate can make good strategies.

[This is my own perspective on the stats. Voters may agree or disagree with my tally, and that's fine.]
Strategery

Pro

Rebuttals:

Pikachu's Star Power

"His first argument is that Pikachu is more famous, and would get a biased victory. In case you didn't know, the winner is based off of strength and durability"

No, this contest is based on POWERS and durability, so don't even try playing the semantics game with me now after I've just kicked your #$%!.

In R1, Con clearly said POWERS and is now cheap skating pikaboo and ash ketchup by substituting the the word STRENGTH, which is clearly against the rules.

Celebrity star power however, (just like in real life) has real world influence and should be counted as an advantage in Pikachu's favor.

Leer

"Okay, I don't remember Pikachu using Leer."

Pikachu using Leer:

1)http://cdn.bulbagarden.net...

2)http://tinyurl.com...

3)http://images4.fanpop.com...

Leer of course is extremely OP by any measure, and is a good reason why Pikachu defeats Jibanyan.

Volt Tackle

"but keep in mind Pikachu still lost that fight against Blanka."

This isn't Pikachu vs. Blanka smart one, this is Pikachu vs. Jibanyan. And there's no reason to believe that Jibanyan could withstand a force close to one million tons of TNT.

"When Pikachu uses it, he takes 33% recoil damage. Assuming Jibanyan takes a ton of damage"

So what. When Jibanyan gets hit he takes 100% damage, whereas megatons are what scientists use to measure the strength of atomic bombs.

Surf

"Pikachu can surf. So what? This isn't a coolness contest!"

Pikachu can fight and travel across water if need be, whereas Jibayan would probably drown. Plus, its always important to look good while fighting if you want people to cheer for you.

Flight

"Ash probably isn't going to bring balloons. That's also against the rules to bring a held item."

Con again attempts to shift the goal posts after I've revealed to him that Pikachu can fly like superman whereas Jibayan can't. In Round 1, Con clearly only limited items to ones that were not found in the TV series or cartoons (see r1 rules).

Pikaboo's Speed

Glad to see that Con has mostly conceded that Pikachu is a 1,000,000x faster than Jibayan.

Pikaboo's Durability:

"Yes, Pikachu is quite durable, and could probably take a few car hits. But keep in mind Jibanyan is almost equal, if not more, durable than Pikachu."

Prove it! You listed no examples other than a few unlucky times that Jibanyan's been hit by a car (never a tank or semi though).

In the meantime, Pikachu's been hit by lighting bolts, rock slides, lasers, hydro pumps, mega kicks, turtle shells, vine whips, and hyper beams while battling with dragons and still manged to live.

Pikaboo's Leadership;

"there's no reinforcements to even hire."

Not true. Pikachu will use his wits, diplomacy, good looks, and persuasive charm to convince Nathan Adams to join him against Jibanyan.

Intelligence;

"Jibanyan is also smart. He can understand humans, he can read, he can speak full sentences, and come up with strategies on his own."

Makes no difference because Jibanyan is a pu$$y. Pikachu meanwhile, is a mouse.

Harry Potter Like Luck

This [lighting bolt] is just a coincidence and doesn't mean anything.

How many pokemon do you know that came with a lighting bolt? More than just a coincidence, Pikachu has proved to be one of the luckiest characters in pokemon history. Team rocket (a billion dollar high tech crime syndicate made up of elite pokemon scientists & trainers) still cant manage catch him despite trying every single episode.

Raichu Factor;

"It's the Thunderstone which Pikachu uses to evolve, not Moonstone."

Oh wow a typo! Big whoop.

"Pikachurefusesto evolve. Ash respects this, and won't force Pikachu to evolve."

Pikachu still has the last resort option to evolve against Jibayan if he wants to. Jibayan, meanwhile, cannot evolve.

Team Rocket Factor.

"I won't allow for them to show up."

News flash. Team Rocket ALWAYS shows up.

Cartoon Cat vs. Mouse

"This is a logical fallacy."

Wrong. Show me a cartoon example where a cat defeated a mouse in combat.

The mouse ALWAYS wins.

Ash Ketchum

"Okay, in the movie, it wasn't Ash who turned himself into stone.."

How do you know? And since when does energy blast ever turn an object into stone?

"we've never seen Ash actually battle a pokemon"

Con obviously doesn't know what he's talking about:

1) http://tinyurl.com...

Luck Factor

"There isn't necessarily luck in this battle"

Second news flash. Luck is the most powerful & prevalent force in the known universe. If you're lucky you can do anything. Win the lottery, win a fight against Mike Tyson, win a hot date, steal your neighbor's newspaper, or even cheat death. Whereas Ash and Pikachu are among the luckiest cartoon characters ever created in anime.

Magic & Pshyics Powers

"humans can't use magic even in the Pokemon world."

Once again, Con demonstrates to us his profound ignorance of the pokemon world.

One of the most well known and regarded magic users in pokemon is Sabrina, the leader of the Saffron City gym: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...

Other magic characters include: Sabrina's father (a psychic), Lily (a witch), Ricky (a psychic), Team rocket (magic) and a number of other psychic trainers found in Saffron City: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(Trainer_class)#In_the_anime

Meanwhile, Ash Ketchum successfully showed he was sensitive to magic by transforming himself into Pikachu in Pokemon episode Hocus Pokemon: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...

Maybe Con should stop laughing now.

Alter Ego Hat Transformation;

"Okay, Pro is obviously trolling in this debate..."

Looks like a real super saiyan move to me:

1) https://www.youtube.com...

2) http://cdn.bulbagarden.net...

Ash's Metal Fortitude & Determination;

"Again, Pro's just having fun. A theme song is, simply, a theme song, and nothing more than a song."

Not just any theme song. Its THE legendary got to catch em all song.

Ash is clearly determined to become a pokemon master, Nathan isn't, giving Ash a huge advantage when it comes to will.

Equipment;

"The Pokedex has no data on Jibanyan, since he's not a Pokemon."

Big whoop. The Pokedex still probably has access to internet and google.

"what else does Ash carry in his backpack."

Anything he wants. Enough room for a tank if need be: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...

Observation:

Con asked us in R1 to determine who would win in a fight were Pikachu and a helper to encounter Jimbyan with his helper, but now he's trying to retreat back and say just Pikachu vs. Jimbyan only, which is a contradiction to the original rules.

Meanwhile, Con also repeatedly demstrated to us a profound ignorance for Pokemon lore (pokemon magic, leer, scumbag hat transformations, megaton force, etc). Honestly if he doesn't know his sh** then he should go space himself.

Battle Tally:

1) Powers: Pikachu zaps Jimiyan with 100,000 volts of electricity at the speed of light. Each thunderbolt also carries the chance of paralysis. Should all else fail, Pikachu can use Volt Tackle or Leer which are godlike and OP.

2) Speed: Pikachu is too fast to be hit by a car. Jimiyan isn't fast enough.

3) Abilities: Pikachu is a cartoon mouse and among the luckiest fictional characters ever created (comparable to Harry Potter). Jimiyan, meanwhile is a funky old -and unlucky- pu$$y cat, and therefore sure to get hit by a bus. When you're lucky you can do anything, whereas no cartoon cat has ever beaten a cartoon mouse in combat.

4) Durability: Pikachu battles with dragons and wins. Jimiyan gets hit by trucks and still loses.

5) Helper: Ash Ketchup has superhuman durability and could be immortal. He also has the ability to transform himself into a super saiyin by wearing his hat backwards. Ash can use magic and is also insanely lucky. Furthermore, his pokemon master determination prevents him from being mind-controlled.

Debate Round No. 3
PowerPikachu21

Con

Should've known it would go down this road. Let's see what I can do about it.

Rebuttal:

Pikachu the Celebrity; "No, this contest is based on POWERS and durability" Power, strength, so what? Pro's just being desperate, and nitpicking at little details.

"Celebrity star power however, (just like in real life) has real world influence and should be counted as an advantage in Pikachu's favor." Being famous doesn't increase power. I intended this to be an unbiased fight, celebrity or not being irrelevant. Voters will also take this into account.

Leer; Picture 1) Hahaha. It never exactly says this is Leer, however. Picture 2) ... Picture 3) I think that's from a movie! THat isn't Leer, that's just Pikachu trying to cheer up Misty's Togepi. "Leer of course is extremely OP by any measure, and is a good reason why Pikachu defeats Jibanyan." Looking at the pictures, Pro is obviously joking. This point should be dismissed. (Just in case, Leer is glaring at the opponent, scaring them.)

Possible Objection to Leer: "Togepi is crying!" Pro claims Leer is "OP". Then what about Cubone in Picture 2? He's just like "What is this guy's problem?"

Volt Tackle; "This isn't Pikachu vs. Blanka smart one" I know that. But surely if Volt Tackle is so powerful, then how come he still lost? Then again, it has been a while since I saw that episode of Death Battle, but still.

"there's no reason to believe that Jibanyan could withstand a force close to one million tons of TNT." True. But still, the recoil.

"When Jibanyan gets hit he takes 100% damage" Remember, in Round 1, I've stated Jibanyan is a spiritual reincarnation, meaning he's immortal, meaning he'll take all of those TNT impact. Pikachu has his limits, too. Pikachu will have to be able to withstand at least 333,334 TNT explosions if he's going to stay standing.

Pro is obviously going to object with "This fight isn't fair! You have the immortal guy!" My response: This is a fight until one side can't fight anymore. Jibanyan probably won't make it through an impact like Pro's describing, but then the question is: Can Pikachu take 1/3 of that same impact?

Surf; "Pikachu can fight and travel across water if need be" Okay, I didn't state the exact location of the battle, but even if they were near an ocean, 1) Items are banned, as I have already stated, and 2) Jibanyan would probably just wait for Pikachu to come back to the mainland, eating Choco Bars.

"But PowerPikachu! You said held item! Does it matter? One could say Pikachu held the surfboard at one point, thus making it a held item.

Okay, we've got an issue. Pro is constantly finding ways to sneak advantages for Pikachu's victory, then blaming it on me. Mainly, he's bringing in things such as balloons for flight. He'd probably say that this stuff exists in the anime, therefore not against rule 5. I was expecting an honest debater to accept, but it seems like that didn't happen. Don't worry, though. I have a plan if I see more trolling, and that's not the rules.

Speed: Did I say 1 million times faster? No, Pro's twisting words, as usual. Pikachu and Jibanyan have almost similar speed, but Pikachu can be a bit faster.

Durability: I said Jibanyan is pretty durable. Pro responds with "Prove it! You listed no examples other than a few unlucky times that Jibanyan's been hit by a car (never a tank or semi though)." Well, he has been stepped on by the almighty Gargaros, and made it out. I guess this counts for being durable.

Troll train of Abilities...

Yeeeeeeeeep. Toot toot!

"Pikachu will use his wits, diplomacy, good looks, and persuasive charm to convince Nathan Adams to join him against Jibanyan." He's a mouse that can only say his name. How would Nate even understand him? Besides, while trying to seduce Nate, Jibanyan would just punch him in the face. Maybe he'll punch Ash too, since he may or may not be fed up with the BS.

"[His intellegence] Makes no difference because Jibanyan is a pu$$y" Correction: Top 2 pu$$y, according to ScrewAttack. Pikachu being a mouse has nothing to with intelect. [Toot toot!]

"How many pokemon do you know that came with a lighting bolt?" Every electric type Pokemon card ever made.

"Team rocket (a billion dollar high tech crime syndicate made up of elite pokemon scientists & trainers) still cant manage catch him despite trying every single episode." Not exactly every episode, but yeah. That's because Team Rocket uses science. Have you seen Clemont in the XY anime?

"Pikachu still has the last resort option to evolve against Jibayan if he wants to. Jibayan, meanwhile, cannot evolve." But then how can Pikachu be Pikachu anymore? Evolution is perminant!

"Team Rocket ALWAYS shows up." Fine. But that's all you've said for my Team Rocket rebuttal. You never contested with the Yo-kai Watch. ;)

"Show me a cartoon example where a cat defeated a mouse in combat." Okay, I can't think of a specific example, except this debate, even though it's not a cartoon? ... I'll get back to that.

Ash;

Ash fights a Pokemon: And he never punched a Pokemon again. Especially Mewtwo, he's OU Tier.

Sabrina: Ah, forgot about her. Ash using magic: Go deeper in the source, and it's not Ash who's doing magic, it's the magician Lily.

"Maybe Con should stop laughing now." Aw. I thought you were talking about a certain character from the BW anime, Ricky. He "did" everything Pro mentioned, "telekinesis, transformation, force fields, and the ability to read minds". It's a shame he didn't appear.

Hat; All Pro does is show Ash, well, turning his hat to become cooler. No tactical advantage is shown.

Gotta Catch 'em All; "Ash is clearly determined to become a pokemon master, Nathan isn't, giving Ash a huge advantage when it comes to will" Nate doesn't catch pokemon, but he'll do anything to save people from Yo-kai, befriending said Yo-kai in the process. And when he befriends certain ones, a Legendary Yo-kai will come out, so you'd bet he's determined to get those!

"The Pokedex still probably has access to internet and google." Says where in the anime? Plus, Pro says "probably", so he's not certain in his claim.

"Con asked us in R1 to determine who would win in a fight were Pikachu and a helper to encounter Jimbyan with his helper, but now he's trying to retreat back and say just Pikachu vs. Jimbyan only, which is a contradiction to the original rules." I can mess up. You did too, a couple times.

"Meanwhile, Con also repeatedly demstrated to us a profound ignorance for Pokemon lore (pokemon magic, leer, scumbag hat transformations, megaton force, etc). Honestly if he doesn't know his sh** then he should go space himself."

...... I admit I'm not an expert... But I do know a bit about the side I'm taking (Jibanyan's side, not Pikachu's.)

Pro seems to be saying Pikachu will get some reinforcements, whether it be Team Rocket, perhaps some random flying pokemon, or even making Nate a traitor. You know what? Jibanyan's got back up.

https://www.google.com...

Argument:

Nowhere in the rules does it restrict outside forces, this includes Pikachu's potential back up, or even Nate's Yo-kai. The link above shows only a few of the many Yo-kai Nate has.

Come on out my friends! Calling, the following! Yo-kai Medals, do your thing!

Noway: This Yo-kai makes whoever he inspirits very disobedient. ANything Ash tells Pikachu will be responded with "No way!"

Dandoodle: Pro mentions Pikachu being famous, therefore powerful. Any males that gaze upon Dandoodle will become handsome (Or disturbing, as the characters referred to it as). THis can cancel out any of Pikachu's popularity tricks.

Robonyan: If Pro still wishes reinforcements, how about this? Robonyan is Jibanyan from the future. Capable of Time Travel, Robonayn can counter anything anyone throws at him. He can also scan Pikachu, and know he's weak to mud.

Toot toot!
Strategery

Pro

"Should've known it would go down this road. Let's see what I can do about it."


Not a whole lot really. I have an unbelievably lucky, star celebrity, super durable, electric mouse with supersonic speed able to fly, surf, dodge, dance, evolve, and pulverize opponents with force equaling the strength of an atomic bomb.


So yeah, you're completely F#&%! And I didn't even mention Leer.


Rebuttals:


"Being famous doesn't increase power."


News flash, being famous is almost certainly why powerful people in our world are powerful in the first place. In the event comicbook artists were to actually create an official battle between Pikaboo and Jibanyan, fan favoritism almost certainly will be taken into account.


"It never exactly says this is Leer"


Bulbapedia says Pikachu used Leer in the anime: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net...(move)#In_the_anime


Seriously, if you honestly don't know your pokemon sh** then you should change your name to PowerRetard


"I've stated Jibanyan is a spiritual reincarnation, meaning he's immortal, meaning he'll take all of those TNT impact. Pikachu has his limits, too. Pikachu will have to be able to withstand at least 333,334 TNT explosions if he's going to stay standing."


You're forgetting that Pikachu is ridiculously lucky (like harry potter lucky), and therefore in theory could withstand the recoil of a nuclear explosion by lord voltemort himself. Meanwhile, Jibanyan gets hurt by cars all the freaking time. There's also no evidence that Jibanyan's body could withstand the force of a nuclear explosion.


Pro is obviously going to object with "This fight isn't fair! You have the immortal guy!"


Why the f@%#$ would I need to do that? A cartoon mouse has never lost a fight to a cartoon cat. Ever.


But go complain some more!


"Items are banned"


You actually never said that.


"Pikachu and Jibanyan have almost similar speed, but Pikachu can be a bit faster."


Pikachu can attack at the speed of light (w/electricity), Jibanyan can't. I stand by my assertion that Pikachu is a million times faster than Jibanyan.


"Well, he has been stepped on by the almighty Gargaros"


Pikachu would have dodged.


"Troll train of Abilities... Yeeeeeeeeep. Toot toot!"


Try not to get run over.


"Pikachu being a mouse has nothing to with intellect."


Clearly you've never heard of pinky and the brain. The most intelligent cartoon characters ever,


"Every electric type Pokemon card ever made."


Pokemon cards are not in the TV show. Once again Con has decided to ignore the rules and should be forced to give up conduct points.


"Okay, I can't think of a specific example, except this debate, even though it's not a cartoon?"


Pikachu and Jimbyan are cartoon characters. And the mouse always wins.


"Especially Mewtwo [Ash won't punch pokemon]"


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...


"it's not Ash who's doing magic, it's the magician Lily."


Does not dismiss my claim that pokemon humans can cast spells, whereas Ash proved he was sensitive to it by transforming into Pikachu.


"All Pro does is show Ash, well, turning his hat to become cooler. No tactical advantage is shown."


WTF are you talking about. He clearly powered up and became more focused as a result.


"Says where in the anime?"


No one knows exactly how the pokedex works, but it almost certainly has internet access, like any other real world tablet. Even if not, the pokedex still tells Ash everything he needs to know about Pikachu to bring about his full potential. It also provides helpful advice for subduing and analyzing unknown pokemon & monsters.


"I can mess up. You did too, a couple times."


You messed up a lot.


"You know what? Jibanyan's got back up."


But Pikachu is a far better leader. And we've already established too that Pikachu can use diplomacy and charm to convince others to aid him.


Summary:


1) Pikachu and Ash are ridiculously lucky (able to win the lottery, cheat death, divide by zero, and avoid the destruction of the pokemon universe many times over). Luck of course, is the most powerful force in existence.


Meanwhile, no cartoon cat has ever defeated a cartoon mouse in combat.


2) Pikachu has OP abilities including; Leer (which lowers moral and defenses) and Volt Tackle (which is measured in megatons).


3) Pikachu can attack at the speed of light (electricity) and is a 1,000,000x faster than Jimbyan


4) Jibanyan is a pu$$y and suffers from bad luck (hit by cars), whereas Pikachu is a popular rock star celebrity.


5) Ash is most likely immortal, has personally attacked the most powerful pokemon monsters before, and could choose to attack someone again.


6) Ash has pokemon master determination (canceling mind control) and a scum bag hat that tranfroms him into a super saiyan alter ego when he wears it backwards.


7) Con obviously doesns't watch enough pokemon and never knew that pokemon humans could use magic or that pikaboo could use leer. Con has attempted to shift the goal posts on many occasions (substituting "strength" for "powers" and disallowing items and helpers) and should be forced to give up conduct points.


8) Con says he wanted a "fair fight" but clearly gave hometown advantage to Jimbyan instead setting up a neutral playing field. Therefore, Con does not deserve to win this debate.



Peace out!

Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Strategery 1 year ago
Strategery
Or go toot your horn some more :P
Posted by Strategery 1 year ago
Strategery
Dude you clearly lost. Go complain somewhere else.
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
Not sure how Pro will respond to the ending of my final round. My guess is that he didn't expect me to get on the Troll Train, playing his game. I might redo this debate, and try to get the serious debate I first wished for.
Posted by PowerPikachu21 1 year ago
PowerPikachu21
I agree Jibanyan has home field advantage, but this is for a good reason, as I have shown. Pro will probably agree with this when he posts his argument.
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