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ogopie
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Zilla2112
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Playstation 3 is better than Xbox 360

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Zilla2112
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/16/2010 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ogopie

Pro

Since I was a small lad, my life has been videogames, thanks mainly to my brother. In the Christmas of '96, we picked up a Playstation 1 and I haven't looked back. I passed up Dreamcast for the Playstation 2 and scoffed at Gamecube and Xbox. Then I passed on the Xbox 360, despite the number of titles already out, in favor of the Playstation 3. Look at the facts:

1. The Playstation has free online, and Playstation Plus is the same price as Xbox Gold and you get free games and discounts, which add up to more savings.
2. Kinect is the same as Sony's Eye-Toy from the generation prior, and it is way over priced.
3. The Playstation has a very low failure rate (13% as opposed to 60%)
4. Playstation has built in WiFi (Xbox just got it)

I could go on, but I need to save my points for later developments. Please join my debate.
Zilla2112

Con

Hello, and I thank my opponent for hosting this debate, which is my first debate on this site. I too am a proud owner of a PlayStation 3 and have enjoyed it and the games I own to a great extent. However, my opinion is that each console has its own pros and cons, and that it is subjective to the gamer and their preference of games as to which system is better. There is no real "winner" in this console war, as both systems are very similar in nature. If the PS3 was the definite "better" system, then why would the Xbox 360 be able to sell approximately 44.6 million units [1] and have millions of dedicated fans who believe that it is the best gaming system for their tastes?

Both consoles offer a decent amount of quality games, as evident in these Metacritic lists. [2] [3] Most of the games on these lists are shared between the two, and each system has its fair share of exclusive titles which may make one person prefer one or the other. For example. a person who greatly enjoys games on the original Xbox such as Halo and Forza Motorsport will most likely prefer the Xbox 360, as the sequels to those games as well as similar titles such as Gears of War will easily win over that person, and vice versa applies to the PS3. Each console has its own pros that will draw gamers to them and flaws that will drive them away, and the amount of pros and cons is so close that it is practically a stalemate.

Now, I will refute some arguments.

"1. The Playstation has free online, and Playstation Plus is the same price as Xbox Gold and you get free games and discounts, which add up to more savings."

While this is true, a decent majority of people believe that Xbox Live, as a whole, is a better service and experience, as evident in this poll. [4] This, to some, can make an Xbox 360 a better investment than a PS3.

"2. Kinect is the same as Sony's Eye-Toy from the generation prior, and it is way over priced."

The Kinect certainly isn't exactly the same as the EyeToy, and while it may be similar to the former product, the Kinect features numerous improvements, such as a microphone and advanced camera technology which can recognize hand gestures amongst others. [5] The Kinect may be somewhat expensive at $149.99, [6] but it is new technology, and its price will drop as time progresses. It is also odd to make this argument, considering that the new PlayStation Move is very similar to Nintendo's Wii Remote, moreso than Kinect and the EyeToy, and that it too is rather pricey ($99.99 for the bundle [7]).

"3. The Playstation has a very low failure rate (13% as opposed to 60%)"

These numbers are inaccurate, as they are not sourced. The highest failure rate estimate for the 360 was at 54.2% [8], while the most recent survey gives a number of 23.7% [9], whereas the PS3 is around 10% in both studies. The second article also states,

"Fortunately, SquareTrade found that Xbox 360 quality has improved dramatically since the third quarter of 2008, shortly before the 65nm CPU/GPU "Jasper" model was introduced. Since then, first-year failure rates have plummeted to below the 4 percent the company projected. Looking at 500 units purchased in 2009, SquareTrade found that less than 1 percent had suffered the Red Ring of Death."

Though you are correct that 360's have had higher failure rates than the PS3's over the entirety of each platform's existance, I will speak from personal experience and say that the PS3 also has had this problem, considering that I've had to replace my PS3 twice, costing a few hundred dollars total for shipping.

"4. Playstation has built in WiFi (Xbox just got it)"

You just noted that 360's now have WiFi, thus making this point somewhat invalid. If a consumer were to decide between a 360 or a PS3 today, both consoles would have this feature.

I once again thank my opponent for this opportunity to debate, and now pass it over to Pro.

[1]http://xbox360.ign.com...
[2]http://www.metacritic.com...
[3]http://www.metacritic.com...
[4] http://mashable.com...
[5] http://www.xbox.com...
[6] http://gear.ign.com...
[7] http://www.amazon.com...
[8] http://blog.seattlepi.com...
[9] http://www.gamespot.com...
Debate Round No. 1
ogopie

Pro

My opponent has stated that Xbox Live as a whole is a better online service. Though a state of opinion, I believe Xbox Live and the Xbox dashboard after the recent update which not only made the Xbox dashboard more confusing to traverse, but also increased the price of Xbox Live. What Microsoft's thinking in this was is beyond me. With Xbox Silver (or Free as they call it now), you can't even play online or stream Netflix, you have to cough up $50 just to do the most basic of features that you would get for free with regular PSN. The only thing Microsoft has going for it is being the whore of the industry by swiping up all the Downloadable content before Sony and Nintendo get the chance. Not to mention stealing exclusives typically set for Sony like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid (I still can't believe it!)

Online services aside, the only thing Xbox has going for it in terms of exclusives is Halo and Gears of War. With Activision's acquisition of Bungie, anything that is set to release on the Xbox 360 will most likely come to the Playstation as well, leaving a huge dent in Microsoft's exclusives line. Sony is also gaining steam with it's Killzone franchise, LittleBigPlanet, and other titles down the line.

Kinect and Move are all knock-offs in some shape or form, and I feel we can leave it at that.

Price point has been a crippling factor of the Playstation 3, there is no doubt about that, but with the new and reduced Slim line, Sony has been able to compete with the new model of Xbox 360 at around $249.99. Therefore, the Playstation is the obvious choice in terms of pricing and exclusives.
Zilla2112

Con

As I have already stated my argument and position in the previous round, I will begin by countering my opponent's arguments.

"My opponent has stated that Xbox Live as a whole is a better online service. Though a state of opinion, I believe Xbox Live and the Xbox dashboard after the recent update which not only made the Xbox dashboard more confusing to traverse, but also increased the price of Xbox Live. What Microsoft's thinking in this was is beyond me. With Xbox Silver (or Free as they call it now), you can't even play online or stream Netflix, you have to cough up $50 just to do the most basic of features that you would get for free with regular PSN."

While these criticisms are valid, PlayStation Network has problems and flaws of its own. For example, this Examiner article [1] states:

"…many have criticized the Playstation Network. One common criticism comes in the form of the lack of features inherent in the Network has that its competitor, XBOX Live, flaunts and expands at every opportunity. The Network lacks… the robust matchmaking features of XBL. It also lacks much of the community interaction of XBL, mostly in the form of "parties," which allow you to interact with your friends' avatars, whether watching movies or playing specially made games together. Overall, the PSN lacks many of the robust features of XBL, with its only payoff being that it's free, compared to XBOX Live's $60/year price tag."

The pros of Xbox Live mentioned here may make the service more worthwhile to some consumers, as evident in the poll I referenced in the previous round. While it may be a more expensive service, paying a mere $59.99 a year (about five dollars a month if you do the math) [2] doesn't seem to be a major issue if the service is of higher quality.

"The only thing Microsoft has going for it is being the whore of the industry by swiping up all the Downloadable content before Sony and Nintendo get the chance. Not to mention stealing exclusives typically set for Sony like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid (I still can't believe it!)"

Calling Microsoft the "whore of the industry" is a bit harsh, isn't it? There are far more pros to owning a 360 than being able to purchase downloadable content first. There are 349 games on the Xbox Live Arcade [3], and a good portion of these games is exclusive to the 360. This figure doesn't include titles from Xbox Live Indie Games or Games on Demand either, which further expands the library of downloadable games available on the 360.

On the other statement, both the Final Fantasy and Metal Gear series were on other consoles originally before they became exclusive for a period of time to Sony. This occurred mainly due to the original PlayStation having better specifications, features, and cheaper development costs than its competitor at the time, the Nintendo 64[4][5]. The first six Final Fantasy games were on Nintendo consoles [6], while the first two Metal Gear games were on the MSX2, with ports and alternate sequels released on the NES and other systems [7]. Both developers of these games, Square Enix (formerly referred to as Square and/or Squaresoft) and Konami, are, and have always been, third party developers. This fact shouldn't make any recent switches in console preference seem surprising, especially since there is a large market on the Xbox 360 that these companies would like to profit from (44.6 million units, as stated in the previous round).

"Online services aside, the only thing Xbox has going for it in terms of exclusives is Halo and Gears of War. With Activision's acquisition of Bungie, anything that is set to release on the Xbox 360 will most likely come to the Playstation as well, leaving a huge dent in Microsoft's exclusives line. Sony is also gaining steam with it's Killzone franchise, LittleBigPlanet, and other titles down the line."

Xbox has far more exclusives than just the Halo and Gears of War games. To name some: Mass Effect, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Forza Motorsport 2, Forza Motorsport 3, Fable II, Fable III, Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pi�ata, Viva Pi�ata: Trouble in Paradise, Kinect Sports, Lost Odyssey, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Lazy Raiders, Toy Soldiers, Project Gotham Racing 3, and Project Gotham Racing 4.

There are far more game developers who make exclusive games for Microsoft other than Bungie as well, such as Lionhead Studios, Turn 10 Studios, Rare Ltd, Epic Games, Mistwalker, Remedy Entertainment, and Ruffian Games amongst others [8]. Also, any further Halo games will also continue to remain exclusive to the 360, as the Halo intellectual property will continue to belong to Microsoft [9]. However, I won't deny that Sony also has some great exclusives as well.

"Kinect and Move are all knock-offs in some shape or form, and I feel we can leave it at that."

This further proves my point that both consoles have their flaws.

"Price point has been a crippling factor of the Playstation 3, there is no doubt about that, but with the new and reduced Slim line, Sony has been able to compete with the new model of Xbox 360 at around $249.99. Therefore, the Playstation is the obvious choice in terms of pricing and exclusives."

As proven by my statements, both consoles offer great games and services at similar prices. Both systems have exclusive games that can make each system worth purchasing depending on a consumer's taste in games. The PlayStation 3 may be (and in my opinion is) a good purchase, but the Xbox 360 is also a good system that offers a great selection of titles and features similar to that of its competitors at a similar price, thus making neither system a "better" one.

I will now hand it over to Pro and allow him to make his closing arguments and statements.

[1] http://www.examiner.com...
[2] http://majornelson.com...
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[6]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[7]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[8] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[9]http://www.bungie.net...
Debate Round No. 2
ogopie

Pro

ogopie forfeited this round.
Zilla2112

Con

It is a shame that my opponent could not come up with an argument within the three day deadline. Even though there will be few voters, as debates with forfeited rounds do not appear on the main page, I suggest that they vote for Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Zilla2112 6 years ago
Zilla2112
I guess I'll accept this debate.
Posted by ogopie 6 years ago
ogopie
Thanks for the heads up
Posted by Ore_Ele 6 years ago
Ore_Ele
You should really update to playstation 3 is better then Xbox 360.

Otherwise someone is gonna argue that the orginial Xbox is better then the playstation 1.
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