The Instigator
Ajabi
Pro (for)
Tied
0 Points
The Contender
DarthVitiosus
Con (against)
Tied
0 Points

Poetry Debate: Text and Criticism

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 0 votes the winner is...
It's a Tie!
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/22/2015 Category: Arts
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 439 times Debate No: 70495
Debate Rounds (5)
Comments (9)
Votes (0)

 

Ajabi

Pro

Greetings!

This is a poetry debate. You can post your own poems, though you're free to post any famous/infamous work so long as you give a citation. You cannot repost a poem you posted in the old poetry competition [http://www.debate.org...]

Though that is not all you also need to provide an explanation of the poem, a critical examination if you will in favor of your poem. You are not allowed to adress the poem of the opponent, simply write an exposition of the poem that you have chosen.

The poem should not be too long, and must be completely typed out over here. If your poem is too long you restrict your space for the critical exposition which is nearly as important. The order of the debate has 4 rounds to post substantiated material, with 24 hr/round, with a maximum of 10, 000 words.

My opponent should start immediately and pass up the last round, or use the first round for acceptance only. You may post foreign poems as long as a translation is provided.
DarthVitiosus

Con

I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Ajabi

Pro

I can't post because I'm not at home.
DarthVitiosus

Con

The first poem is a Japanese "death poem" written by Zoso Royo.

"I pondered Buddha's teaching
a full four and eighty years.
The gates are all now
locked about me.
No one was ever here -
Who then is he about to die,
and why lament for nothing?
Farewell!
The night is clear,
the moon shines calmly,
the wind in the pines
is like a lyre's song.
With no I and no other
who hears the sound?[1]"

[1]http://www.quietspaces.com...

The poem was written before Zoso Royo died. Royo died on the fifth day of the six month in 1276 at age 84. Royo at first describes his age and how long he has followed the teachings of Buddha. Which would be 84 years according to him. The rest of the poem, Royo discusses the conditions in which he is about to die. It may seem somewhat metaphorical in many respects. This may be the case when Royo descrives "the wind in the pines," "the night is clear," and how "the moon shines calmly." It is difficult for the reader to tell whether these relate to the actual weather conditions of Royo's death or is it exaggeration.

Royo does use metaphor when he says "the gates are now all locked about me." Royo seems to be discussing that he knows he is about to die. Then it seems he is attempting to accept his fate within the next few lines when he mentions "Who then is he about to die, and why lament for nothing?" Then as the poem progresses we see or seem to think that Royo is describing how he is going to die by himself and no one else will know the exact time of his death.

Overall, Royo's poem seems very interesting since he realizes he has lived a long life and now he is prepared for it to end.
Debate Round No. 2
Ajabi

Pro

Ajabi forfeited this round.
DarthVitiosus

Con

All the World's a Stage by William Shakespeare
"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slippered pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side;
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything[1]."

[1]http://100.best-poems.net...

I am not sure if my opponent forfeited or will he try to participate but I will post this poem without an explanation because I am not sure what he is doing at this point. I may have made a mistake but I would ask the opposition to state they are forfeiting rather than just leave me and readers in confusion about his status in this debate.
Debate Round No. 3
Ajabi

Pro

Ajabi forfeited this round.
DarthVitiosus

Con

DarthVitiosus forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Ajabi

Pro

Ajabi forfeited this round.
DarthVitiosus

Con

DarthVitiosus forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
9 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 9 records.
Posted by DarthVitiosus 2 years ago
DarthVitiosus
I am not willing to do that. I have a debate scheduled after this one that is supposed to be with Valkrin. I can't put the debate with him off any longer.
Posted by Ajabi 2 years ago
Ajabi
Could we restart this please
Posted by Ajabi 2 years ago
Ajabi
oh lol
Posted by DarthVitiosus 2 years ago
DarthVitiosus
I didn't mean you had to post in the last hour. I was just requesting for you to post during the last 24 hours. Thanks, anyways you don't need to post that late anymore. Today was officially the last day to worry about posting late anyways.
Posted by Ajabi 2 years ago
Ajabi
I may have to leave in about an hour for more than 5 hours so I will have to post soon. I'm sorry I can't wait till the last hour.
Posted by DarthVitiosus 2 years ago
DarthVitiosus
No problem, I didn't have a problem with it. I thought you might though since you wanted 24 hours.
Posted by Ajabi 2 years ago
Ajabi
Could you either post or accept?
Posted by Ajabi 2 years ago
Ajabi
Oops sorry Darth. :P
Posted by DarthVitiosus 2 years ago
DarthVitiosus
A minor point but you said 24 hours when it is set to 72 hours.
No votes have been placed for this debate.