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HalfAnOnion
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AmericanDeist
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Police should be called if a person with a mental illness has a problem

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AmericanDeist
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/5/2017 Category: Health
Updated: 11 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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HalfAnOnion

Con

Police should not be called, as police are here to enforce laws using violence, not peacefully. People with a mental illness should be consulted by a therapist. People with a mental illness would need a relaxing situation, and support; if you were to call a police officer, it would likely cause a ruckus, potentially upsetting the person. In a situation where a person with a mental illness needs help, think about what would be best for them.
AmericanDeist

Pro

Police should be called if a person with mental illness has a problem. Those who are mentally ill are often violent, and police officers have the means to subdue them in order to get them the help that they need. Very few police officers actually kill anyone in the line of duty. There are upwards of 800,000 sworn police officers in the USA, and out of those around 1,100 use deadly force. That is 1 out of every 727 or 0.0013% nationally.

Those who suffer from mental illness and are at the point that they are displaying violent tendencies, will often lash out at those closest to them. Often times, that will be a parent or sibling. A male that is 6'3" and 250 lbs can manhandle a female that is 5'4" and 140 lbs. There is nothing that female can do, and they certainly can't force the person to seek help, much less take their meds. Heck, most males can't single handedly take care of someone that size that is in a mental state where they feel no pain. The police can help. Besides, many police departments, especially in larger population centers, tend to have access to counselors and social workers that can be used as a resource to get the person some much needed help.

A taser is the best tool that can be used to take down a violent mental patient, without the need of deadly force. Once down and incapacitated, they can be handcuffed and transported to the hospital. That means that neither the patient, the police, nor family/friends risk injury having to fight a combative mentally ill person.

If a mentally ill person has gone over the edge and is exhibiting imminent danger to the public (think voices telling him to kill in the name of God), then YES the police need to be called. There is a chance that the situation will end violently, but it is better than letting the person run rampant on the public. Police do not shoot to kill, but to neutralize a threat as a last resort. However, their actions will be dictated by the person they received a call about. If they show up and he opens fire as soon as they step out of the car, the police go from level 1 to level 6 on the force continuum instantaneously.

Lastly, I am a police chaplain and trained in various aspects of counseling. I have lost count of the number of people that I have helped or talked down from a volatile situation. I can promise you that calling the police is a wise choice.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by BAM1979 11 months ago
BAM1979
Assuming an 'X' will be objective in determining whether or not "all 'X' are immoral" is a fruitless endeavour.
Posted by BAM1979 11 months ago
BAM1979
@AmericanDeist

Which statement is that?
Posted by AmericanDeist 11 months ago
AmericanDeist
@BAM1979

Your statement is simply not true. I am a police chaplain and have 13 years of experience behind me.
Posted by BAM1979 11 months ago
BAM1979
Define 'mental illness.' Define 'problem.' ......I mean, both of those terms could be used to describe police officers.
Regardless, it's rarely , if *ever*, a good idea to call police for anything that hasn't already reached a level of violence that can't be de-escalated. Anything short of that, will almost assuredly reach that level with the arrival of police.
Posted by David1967 11 months ago
David1967
I'm with Neodeist 100% on this. Not every person with a mental illness is necessarily a danger to themselves or others, however sometimes they are with oftentimes tragic results as I have personally seen (very recently) myself as a member of the Law enforcement community. So if a mentally ill person has a problem, then please call the police. You may just save more than one life.
Posted by HalfAnOnion 11 months ago
HalfAnOnion
It is addressing the fact that it is a bad idea to call police in a situation that involves a mental illness
Posted by CosmoJarvis 11 months ago
CosmoJarvis
What is this debate trying to address exactly?
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Vote Placed by socialpinko 11 months ago
socialpinko
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Reasons for voting decision: Given that the debate only lasted one round, Con out themselves at a disadvantage from the outset given their lack of ability to respond. However, Pro successfully exploited Con's ambiguity wrt to what a "problem" could constitute. Pro showed that someone displaying violent tendencies or posing a public threat should best be handled by law enforcement, upholding the BoP since Con was not able to respond. Pro loses source vote for failure to source statistical claims and including anecdotal (read:unprovable) evidence.
Vote Placed by PowerPikachu21 11 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Both sides had good conduct, and neither had bad grammar. Con's argument says we should get them to a therapist, and police would only make the matters worse. Pro, however, counters by saying mentally ill people can be violent, requiring the police to subdue them so they can get help. As this is a 1 Round debate, the Instigator had no rebuttals to give. No sources were used.