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Started: 3/28/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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guaponate

Pro

In the U.S popular vote should be put into affect for voting for a U.S president rather than the electoral college. For the electoral college caused great unbalance for many of these presidential nominees focus on these swinging states for voting while the other states are not campaigned as much or not at all thus causing a decrease in voter turnout out. As stated by the U.S election Atlas " which may give citizens the feeling that their vote does not matter, encouraging them to stay home instead of visiting the ballot box on election days". Making people outside of the swing states feel as if they are not to be represented with all the power going to the swinging states.
LuisOrtuno97

Con

Well the presidential candidates may tend to focus on the swing states that would be bound to happen with any state. If we were to have the popular vote win it presidents still would not campaign on states they already know they will win. Such as current president Trump and former candidate Romney. They did not do much campaigning in the South as they knew they would win them. However, since we have the electoral college we can tell that the most informed voters are those in the swing states as reported by Richard Posner in Slate. He reports of how voters in swing states are the ones who may the most attention to the competing candidates as they know they can decide the election. I believe the most thoughtful voters should be the ones to decide the election.
Debate Round No. 1
guaponate

Pro

Although the most thoughtful voters should be the ones to decide the election the electoral college does not represent the will of the people, such as a president who wins the electoral vote but not the popular vote. For example when president Trump won, people throughout the nation were in disbelief and they decided to take actions and protest because the majority of the population not being satisfied with there president since they only won the electoral college. Also to add on to that representatives may be faithless electors for they state there vote as one yet cast it for the other thus not representing the people.
LuisOrtuno97

Con

You speak about the will of the people not being represented; however did you know that in the last election even though Clinton won the popular vote she did not win the most counties in the U.S.. She does not even break the 20%. Our current president Trump won about 84% of the counties. He won over 2,600 of the 3,141 counties here as reported by FactCheck. You speak of the will of the people not being represented but if Clinton had won because she had received the popular vote, then their would be over 2,600 who feel they are not being represented. Even if we were just to put it into states Trump 30 to Clinton's 20. I am trying to rebuttal your last statement but it does not make complete sense, but i think what you are trying to say is that representatives do not represent the people all the time. Which sounds more like an opinion rather than a fact. However you have to remember that these representatives are being chosen by the election day voters as well. Which means they are the ones choosing who they believe will represent them.
Debate Round No. 2
guaponate

Pro

Yes Trump won the majority of the counties, but did not win the population and lost that vote by one million, no matter what state or part of the country people are in the total population is not satisfied and content with the election and it shows to this day, any action the president takes he is heavily scrutinized and protest continuously continue. However I am not saying that if Clinton had won she would receive an opposite reaction of the nation but rather the majority of the population is content knowing their vote was represented and not by a repsresented who may have not voted for a presidential nominee due to them being forth the gay community, feminism and what not. For 20 states in the U.S do not require a memeber of the electoral college to vote for the party desired by the people as stated by Fair Vote on Faithless Electors, thus failing to repsresent the people since they can just cast their vote in for who was desired. People vote for these representatives having belief they will cast what they desire yet they can do the complete opposite and go against the will of the people. Take a look back at previous elections, has there been such disbelief and protest on this scale due to a president not winning the popular vote there was protest of 3 million plus women going against Trump has anything on this grand of a scale happened before all because the majority of the population is not satisfied. As stated by John Koza a journalist from U.S News on Why We Need Popular Vote "This is why about 75 percent of voters tell pollsters that they want to move to a national popular vote. "
LuisOrtuno97

Con

The electoral college does exactly what the founding fathers intended it to do. Making sure that the will of one state in the union did not overshadow the will of the majority of states in the union. As is the case with California if we were to let the popular vote win then the last election could have been decided with California. Clinton won the popular vote by 2.9 million and can you guess what state was the one that gave her 4 million more votes over any candidates? If you guessed anything other than California well you're wrong. While in other states including the District of Columbia Trump has a 1.7 million plurality over Clinton according to an article written by the head writer of The Duran, Alex Christoforou. We can't let the will of one state make the decision for an entire country. While the majority of voters are not satisfied with the results the electoral college is doing exactly what it's meant to do. While their was a huge protest from women in D.C people tend to ignore the fact that Trump still managed to get 42 percent of the female vote. That's a lot of women who feel they are being represented by the right candidate. As to why there has never been such outrage for a president elected who didn't win the popular vote we live in a different time than we did in the past. We have phones, computers, tablets and all sorts of technology that helps us connect together with people far away from us within seconds. Most of the protest organized were done through social media and online. These are things we didn't have in the past that are helping the cause as to why we can organize so many people in one place. I believe the electoral college should stay. I'm going to repeat it again we cannot let the will of one state choose who the leader will be for a whole country.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by whiteflame 1 year ago
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>Reported vote: byaka2013// Mod action: Removed<

2 points to Pro (Sources), 1 points to Con (S&G). Reasons for voting decision: Makes sense

[*Reason for removal*] Not an RFD.
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