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Power in the middle east

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ScottyDouglas
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/14/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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EPRdebate

Pro

This not a debate so much as a conversation, I just want to hear your opinion on the subject.
The wests interference with middle eastern affairs has, for the most part, been in support of democratic or less extreme middle eastern forces (ANA, Syrian opposition) against oppressive regimes (Taliban, gaddafi regime) Now my theory is that part of this motivation is coming from the fact that should the syrian opposition take political control or the US install a diplomatic government in afganistan, the west will have new friends in the east. There fore providing a closer and stronger front against china should war break out between the west and the far east.
ScottyDouglas

Con

Debate accepted.

Added power in the Middle east for Western Countries is not for democracy.

Though my opponent says this is not a debate. I disagree. This is the purpose here. If I am the only one to debate a stance and not my opponent, I then must ask for votes.

My opponent must prove that Western Countries in fact are for the developement of democracy in the Middle East.

Rules:
1. Must stay on topic.
2. Must be respectful.

Rounds:
1. Acceptance
2. Arguements
3. Rebuttals
4. Rebuttals
5. Conclusion

I thank my opponent for this debate and I turn it back over to Pro!
Debate Round No. 1
EPRdebate

Pro

EPRdebate forfeited this round.
ScottyDouglas

Con

Thanks to my opponent for this debate.

I got one word why Western countries are not about democracy and it is: Imperialism

The most lasting legacy of imperialism in the Middle East and North Africa following World War I was the creation of states where none had existed previously. Out of the former Arab provinces of the Ottoman empire emerged Iraq, never unified previously. A result of wartime alliances and tribal rivalries, the creation of Saudi Arabia and the sheikdoms of the Persian Gulf. In addition, Turkey became a state by repelling a British-encouraged Greek invasion and establishing its independence.

These new states, other then Turkey, Iran, and the newly formed Saudi Arabia, remained under foreign occupation or, in Iraq's case, tied to the former occupier, until the decolonization area following World War II.

As a result, the nature of national identity and the basis of allegiance to these new states has varied and occasionally been challenged, leaving open the question of Islam as the ongoing basis of loyalty for most Muslims. Turkey itself has seen since World War II the renewed strength of Islam in the public sphere, in part a byproduct of its democratization process. Syria and Iraq underwent strenuous secularization driven by Baathist socialist regimes, but the American overthrow of Saddam Hussein in Iraq in the name of democracy may lead to a new regime strongly influenced by Shii Islam and strengthened ties to Iran, which the U.S. has designated as part of the "Axis of Evil."

These experiences illustrate the ongoing complexity of the process of state formation and creation of national and religious loyalties, processes set in motion before World War I but only fully attempted afterward. They demonstrate that the impact of European imperialism on the broader Middle East has persisted and has yet to be resolved, with new dynamics put in place by the United States' intervention in Iraq whose consequences will be far-reaching and possibly contrary to the goals articulated by Washington before the invasion.

In a conversation VP Joe Biden said:

About the future of Iraq, Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) asked Nir Rosen of the NYU Center on Law and Security what advice he would have for the U.S. going forward in Iraq, given Rosen's extensive first-hand experience in the country. Rosen declined to respond, saying he felt "uncomfortable" giving advice to an "imperialist power":

BIDEN: Based on what you've said, there's really no hope — we really should get the hell out of there right now. I mean, there's nothing to do. Nothing.
ROSEN: As a journalist, I'm uncomfortable advising an imperialist power about how to be a more efficient imperialist power. And I don't think that we're there for the interest of the Iraqi people. I don't think that's ever been a motivation. [...]
BIDEN: [If we withdraw], the good news is we wouldn't be imperialists in Iraq, from your perspective.
ROSEN: Only elsewhere in the region. (laughter). … There's no positive scenario in Iraq these days. Not every situation has a solution.

Watch it:
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I how gave a arguement that democracy is not western countries purpose in the middle east. I await my opponents response.

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Debate Round No. 2
EPRdebate

Pro

EPRdebate forfeited this round.
ScottyDouglas

Con

Please give points for FF!

Drop my arguement down until it is respond to.

Thanks!
Debate Round No. 3
EPRdebate

Pro

EPRdebate forfeited this round.
ScottyDouglas

Con

My opponent FF again.

Ask for points and drop my arguements from round 2.

Thanks for reading and to my opponent.
Debate Round No. 4
EPRdebate

Pro

Sorry I have a lot of stuff going on atm and probs shouldn't have started a debate, I forfeit.
ScottyDouglas

Con

I thank my opponent. I wish him GL.

I ask all points for FF.

Thanks all!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by socialpinko 5 years ago
socialpinko
If you don't plan on actually arguing, don't make a debate. Post in the forums for this.
Posted by TheOrator 5 years ago
TheOrator
This shouldn't be in the debate secton in the first place. We have forums for these, and this specific one would go in the politics section.
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Vote Placed by socialpinko 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: yo dawg, I heard you forfeited the debate so I voted for Con.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeited