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dsjpk5
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logic123
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Praying for the sins of the dead is a biblical practice, and a holy and pious thought.

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dsjpk5
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/10/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dsjpk5

Pro

Rules:
1. For the purposes of this debate, both parties shall assume the God of the Bible exists.
2. For the purposes of this debate, both parties shall assume the Bible is the inspired, inerrant word of God.
3. For the purposes of this debate, both parties shall use the same translation: The RSVCE.
4. First round is for acceptance only for Con.
5. Any violation of any of these rules will result in an automatic debate forfeit for the violating party.
Debate Round No. 1
dsjpk5

Pro

2 Maccabees 12:44-45Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.[a]
logic123

Con

It is against God's will therefore is false.
Debate Round No. 2
dsjpk5

Pro

I have offered biblical evidence to support my claim. My opponent has not. The passage I provided clearly says that it's a holy and pious thought to pray for the sins of the dead. Con made a claim without any evidence to support it. Therefore, it should be disregarded as baseless.
logic123

Con

logic123 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
dsjpk5

Pro

My opponent has forfeited the last round. I ask the voters to consider this when voting on conduct. I extend all my arguments.
logic123

Con

logic123 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
dsjpk5

Pro

Vote Pro!
logic123

Con

logic123 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by platoscaveman 2 years ago
platoscaveman
First off the deuterocanonical are STILL canon. The bible existed as 73 books from around 400AD until luther removed 7 books in the 1500's Calling them apocryphal is an insulting term. Secondly the 7 books removed were all from the OT, and at the time of Jesus, scripture was the Septuagint. The Septuagint contained those 7 books. The jews removed them for the sole reason that they were written in greek instead of Hebrew. Incidentally they ended up throwing out the entire story of Hannakah. That doesn't appear anywhere in the modern torah. Thirdly, there is plenty of evidence outside of the 7 books. Throughout the new testament there are references to purgatory, but if you want a straight up praying for the dead, try this one: . Paul prays for the dead Onesiphorus in 2 Timothy 1: 16-18.
Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
You mean deuterocanonicals.
Posted by Esiar 2 years ago
Esiar
Maccabees = Apocrypha
Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
@mattstpaul, I would submit that the teaching is implied in a number of places throughout the Bible.
Posted by Asburnu 2 years ago
Asburnu
Hmmm... logically, you have covered your bases and established your foundation. I will be watching this one and have made a note of you, that I may observe your future participation.
Posted by MattStPaul 2 years ago
MattStPaul
Because I am not a Catholic, and have never searched this topic, are there any other verses in the Catholic version of the Bible (or any other version for that matter) where praying for the dead is taught? Or is this the only reference? Thanks.
-MSP
Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
Thanks.
Posted by Ragnar 2 years ago
Ragnar
Very good setup.
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Reasons for voting decision: Args - Pro, Con had no refutations to them so they were left uncontested. Conduct - Pro, Con forfeited multiple rounds. Sources - Pro. Pro provided a biblical passage to back up his case. Con provided nothing.
Vote Placed by Zarroette 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: One passage was enough to win the debate, considering that Con offered nothing. Arguments to Pro. Conduct to Pro for Con's round forfeits.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture- all points to Pro.