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Predestination: Does God choose whom He will save (vs arminianism idea)

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Started: 8/18/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Becks

Pro

I want to debate for Predestination. If you would like to debate this topic just comment and I will add you. Arguments must be based on the bible.
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Con

Modern day Calvinists are like modern scientists in that modern Calvinists place salvation in a test tube. Not just one test tube but five. Then each tube is tested with its own ingredient. Nowhere else in all of God's creation does such an operation take place excepting for the scientist's own laboratory. And what is this 'laboratory' but the scientist's own mind. For such a laboratory cannot exist anywhere else. Should it be the goal of the Christian to break these test tubes, (thereby breaking the mind of the scientist)? Or should the Christian work with the scientist and break the enemy instead? The scientist is not our enemy. He is our friend. We will do him no harm.
Debate Round No. 1
Becks

Pro

Becks forfeited this round.
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Con

Predestination vx Arminianism

total depravity..........................free will
unconditional election............conditional election
limited atonement...................general atonement
irresistible grace.......................Holy Spirit can be resisted
perseverance of saints............falling from grace

Calvinism cannot be applied to the Angels of heaven. Calvinism cannot be applied to the Levites.

Example of the Angels:
1 The Angels have free will
2 The Election of the Angels is conditional
3 The Angels don't even have an Atonement
4 The Angels can resist the Holy Spirit
5 The Angels can fall

Example of the Levites:
1 The Levites had free will
2 The Election of the Levites was conditional
3 The Atonement concerning the Levites was general
4 The Levites resisted the Holy Spirit
5 The Levites fell

Is Arminianism in operation today? Yes and no

Example of the Angels:
1 The Angels still have free will
2 The Election of the Angels is still conditional
3 The Angels still don't have an Atonement
4 The Angels can still resist the Holy Spirit
5 The Angels can still fall

Example of the Levites:
1 The Levites no longer have a free will or anything else
2 The Election of the Levites is over
3 The Levites no longer have an Atonement
4 The Levites cannot resist anything
5 The Levites dead
Debate Round No. 2
Becks

Pro

Becks forfeited this round.
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Con

Chances are that Pro is not really a Calvinist.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
@ Becks, if you also wish to debate this topic with someone with the Catholic view, send me a debate challenge
Posted by CountCheechula 2 years ago
CountCheechula
I will argue from a Jesus point of view, form of the early church theology.
Opposed to Catholics and the way they have ran to Calvin/Luther split.
Both need to be tweaked.
Posted by Becks 2 years ago
Becks
I will be arguing from a calvinistic point of view.
Posted by dsjpk5 2 years ago
dsjpk5
There are many versions of predestination. Which one do subscribe to?
Posted by philochristos 2 years ago
philochristos
Oh cool. I hope you get a good opponent.
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Vote Placed by bladerunner060 2 years ago
bladerunner060
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