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Predestination and Freewill

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/4/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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rafeen

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there is not such thing freewill
benl100

Con

Thank you for providing a very abstract debate, I look forward to seeing some interesting ideas.

To believe in predestination is to believe in fate, destiny or some sot of religious doctrine that governs the actions of humans. Such a thing is extremely hard to prove on a scientific, evidential basis. But to speculate, surely fate and the omniscient nature of god is supposed to be positive? People's fates should have some significance if they are determined by 'our creator', otherwise what is their purpose. What good is being achieved by the early deaths of thousands of people, and the horrific acts that they do to others. Obviously assuming there is a creator, his teachings and aims would be far too complex to describe by talking about good and evil but there is simply no observable pattern that backs up the idea that we are simply following a predetermined route already set out for us.

Our mind is what sets us apart from animals, our morals and speech. This is what I would argue to be 'free will'. The ability to disembark from nature's path and set our own precedent. Without it we are simply surviving, existing and yes following a set path for us which was laid by our ancestors. Because we have our mind, our consciousness and curiosity, we have the free-will to do as we please, which explains all the anomalies and secular-digression our species have experienced.
Debate Round No. 1
rafeen

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by DavidCarter 3 years ago
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I would opt for the middle ground: compatiblism (the position that free will and determinism, or predestination, exist at the same time). This may seem odd, but the arguments in favour of either complete free will, or complete determinism are illogical. Complete free will would deny the impact of neurological, biological and environmental factors that all impact our subconscious minds (the origin of our thoughts and desires/distastes). You don't choose to be attracted to a person, your subconscious mind chooses for you. You don't choose the food you like, your subconscious does etc. However, to suggest we have no free will would render us nothing more than robots, which is intuitively unsavoury. Equally, it would deny the existence of 'chance' and 'randomness', yet we see these very things at the quantum level. (The fatalistic argument used by the 'Con' debater is quite out-of-date by contemporary philosophical standards. It links predestination to religion, which it certainly does need to be and could stifle the argument and lead it into theology unnecessarily. This certainty doesn't need to be an argument about God!). As such, we must both have free will, and not have free will, at the same time. I.e. our subconscious minds dictate our desires and wants, but our concious minds, to a degree, have the ability to analyse them and potentially veto any action upon them (in the words of Libet).
Posted by wildpuffin 3 years ago
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