The Instigator
tvellalott
Pro (for)
Winning
19 Points
The Contender
jimtimmy
Con (against)
Losing
0 Points

Presidential Debate 2012: jimtimmy versus tvellalott

Do you like this debate?NoYes+5
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 4 votes the winner is...
tvellalott
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/14/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 2,453 times Debate No: 23612
Debate Rounds (4)
Comments (25)
Votes (4)

 

tvellalott

Pro

This will be the official Presidential debate between myself and one of my opponents, jimtimmy.

EXTENDED RESOLUTION
I will be arguing: "Assuming tvellalott won the election, he would make a superior President to jimtimmy"

My opponent will be arguing "Assuming jimtimmy won the election, he would make a superior President to tvellalott"

BURDEN OF PROOF
We each have the burden of proof of proving our respective resolutions.

ROUND STRUCTURE AND RULES
First round is only for definitions and acceptance.
The second round will consist entirely of arguments. No rebuttals from my opponent as this gives him the advantage.
The third round will allow new arguments and also rebuttals from both sides in response to any arguments previously made.
The fourth round will be only for rebuttals and conclusions; NO new arguments are to be introduced.

We both argee to avoid using semantics or trickery in our arguments and/or rebuttals.
Any forfeit will cause immediate loss of conduct points, except in the case of an equal number of forfeits. Biased RFD's can (AND WILL) be disputed so voters are encouraged to give detailed explanations for their point allocation.
We both agree that it is unfair for our VPs to vote and thus Thaddeus and innomen should not vote at all, though leaving RFD with no point allocation is allowed.

Good luck to my opponent. If you object to anything, please let me know in the comments before you accept the challenge so I can edit this debate accordingly.
jimtimmy

Con

I accept this debate.
Debate Round No. 1
tvellalott

Pro

Holy crap on a stick! I've got 18 minutes to write my entire argument...

Lets go!

OPENING

I would like to thank my opponent for this chance to debate him. I hope this is a fair and well-mannered debate. Good luck.

ARGUMENTS

EXPERIENCE
I am clearly more experienced than jimtimmy when it comes to running DDO. I am appealing to experience here; I was involved in the formation of the Party Party, which eventually helped Cody_Franklin's Freedom Party snatch the election from innomen's surprise vote boom. I ran as askbob's VP against innomen and lost. I left the site for quite a while during innomen's first Presidency for a variety of reasons including the AnCap exodus, lack of moderation, askbob's banning and simply spending too much time on DDO. I eventually returned mostly because I missed mafia but when I was asked by innomen to be his VP in the last election, I had to take up his offer and have spent the last 6 months learning as much as I can in hope of becoming a good President. I have very big shoes to fill. I am now being investigated by innomen in to potentially becoming a second moderator.

PERSONALITY
There is little doubt that I am nowhere near as controversial a character as jimtimmy on this site. I have not been accused of any wrong-doing on this website. I will elaborate on this more in the next round, I simply don't have time to find the sources.

CONCLUSION
This first round sucked, but I had to write something. I won't procrastinate on the next round.

Thanks for reading.
jimtimmy

Con

jimtimmy forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
tvellalott

Pro

I totally intended to troll JT in this debate.

I may still do so...

However, I'm forfeiting this round because I'm feeling uninspired troll-wise.

I might finish the debate with the most awful, fallacious round I can come up with... We'll see.
jimtimmy

Con

Tvellalot is no longer running for president...
Debate Round No. 3
tvellalott

Pro

tvellalott forfeited this round.
jimtimmy

Con

jimtimmy forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
25 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by AlwaysMoreThanYou 4 years ago
AlwaysMoreThanYou
This looks very bad for JT
Posted by tvellalott 4 years ago
tvellalott
JT, it doesn't matter that I'm not running for President. The resolution is "Assuming tvellalott won, he would make a better President than jimtimmy".
Posted by imabench 4 years ago
imabench
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh this is perfect XD
Posted by jimtimmy 4 years ago
jimtimmy
Lol.

I won't FF next round. Haha
Posted by tvellalott 4 years ago
tvellalott
Oh no! :O
Posted by 16kadams 4 years ago
16kadams
god damn dont FF
Posted by tvellalott 4 years ago
tvellalott
I intend to finish and win this debate to counter the loss I have against airmax1227.
Posted by 16kadams 4 years ago
16kadams
Post my opponent dropped out so I win. :P
Posted by jimtimmy 4 years ago
jimtimmy
Seeing as Tvellalot dropped out, I see no point in continuing.
Posted by 16kadams 4 years ago
16kadams
Jim dont FF
4 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 4 records.
Vote Placed by daytonanerd 4 years ago
daytonanerd
tvellalottjimtimmyTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:40 
Reasons for voting decision: A full sh*t sandwich of forfeit by Con. Tvellalott actually tried. Would we expect more from JimTimmy?
Vote Placed by imabench 4 years ago
imabench
tvellalottjimtimmyTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:40 
Reasons for voting decision: I for one think that it would be better for no one to be president of DDO then for Jimtimmy to be president....
Vote Placed by AlwaysMoreThanYou 4 years ago
AlwaysMoreThanYou
tvellalottjimtimmyTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:40 
Reasons for voting decision: Con never provided an argument. Very poor showing.
Vote Placed by Maikuru 4 years ago
Maikuru
tvellalottjimtimmyTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:70 
Reasons for voting decision: Full forfeit by Con.