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Purushadasa
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The Contender
DavitosanX
Con (against)

Proof of God Via Dependent Reality

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Started: 8/16/2017 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Purushadasa

Pro

1. A dependent real (something real and caused by another) exists.

2. The dependent real's cause must
also be real, and must either be dependent, or independent (not caused by another).

3. The dependent cannot be the sole cause of the dependent.

4. Therefore, the cause must include an independent real (something real and not caused by another).

5. Therefore, an independent real exists.

God's scriptures reveal the fact that this Independent Real is none other than God himself. If the Independent Real is not God, then it is something like God. If "something like God" exists, then God also exists.

Therefore God exists, Theism is true, and the belief in atheist Dogma is false.
DavitosanX

Con

For the sake of this debate, I'll accept your five premises. You said "If the Independent Real is not God, then it is something like God". I would need your definition of God before I agree or disagree. Would you kindly provide it?

I would propose a different conclusion: "At least one independent real exists, and it is the cause of the dependent real."
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Posted by canis 5 months ago
canis
Yes. you could mane one thing..But well you did create that one thing... Is that really all...? "our wiev into your dreams"...
Posted by Purushadasa 5 months ago
Purushadasa
God exists eternally, and therefore does not require a creator.

Also, you are an ignorant douchebag, and we are done here.
Posted by canis 5 months ago
canis
Yes. you could mane one thing..But well you did create that one thing...
Posted by Purushadasa 5 months ago
Purushadasa
God is existentially independent, actually.

Also, your stance leads to the logical fallacy known as "infinite regress" -- with one dependent thing depending on another, and that one depending on yet another, and that one depending on yet another, and that one depending on yet another -- ad infinitum.

The only way to avoid your above-stated logical fallacy is to admit the fact that an independent entity necessarily exists.

Therefore an independent entity necessarily exists.

QED
Posted by canis 5 months ago
canis
Nothing independent exist.. You can not name one thing.
Posted by Purushadasa 5 months ago
Purushadasa
Your stance leads to the logical fallacy of infinite regress -- with one dependent thing depending on another, and that one depending on yet another, and that one depending on yet another, and that one depending on yet another -- ad infinitum.

The only way to avoid your above-stated logical fallacy is to admit the fact that an independent entity necessarily exists.

Therefore an independent entity necessarily exists.

QED
Posted by canis 5 months ago
canis
Nothing independent exist.. You can not name one thing.
Posted by Purushadasa 5 months ago
Purushadasa
The fact that my worldview is richer and more complete than yours is not a valid reason for you to be envious.
Posted by Wylted 5 months ago
Wylted
Try not to be a retard and start so many challenges,
Posted by Purushadasa 5 months ago
Purushadasa
I am not in the habit of answering questions posed by two-legged animals in the comments sections under my debates.
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