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passwordstipulationssuck
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Prove that the god according to the bible loves and cares for/ about the ENTIRE human race

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Started: 2/7/2018 Category: Religion
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backwardseden

Pro

The rules are simple enough: Prove that the god according to the bible loves and cares for/ about the ENTIRE human race - not just part of it which means he a bigoted racist pig who loves to sandwich in people for his own private little affairs. And since this god doesn't care nor love the ENTIRE human race, then why create anyone to oppose him knowing all to well that uprisings and bloodshed will occur especially when it isn't necessary which is not love nor care that is if god is a true god in which he is not because nobody can prove that this god even exists. And why be evil and hate in the first place rather than bringing in peace, harmony, love, care, kindness etc? Nah. So either way its a losing proposition for those that believe. But have at it. And another question that remains is Why believe?

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passwordstipulationssuck

Con

My opponent's own framework suggests that I need only prove that the Bible states that God cares about the entire human race. Therefore I shall first point out some verses that assert that claim. "If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?" or "What shall we drink?" or "What shall we wear?" "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." these verses and innumerable others, too many to list here claim that God Cares for Humanity. I can provide more if you want.

My opponents next point is irrelevant in the debate. the debate is not over the existence of God and thus his ability to love or care, by your own framework which states "The rules are simple enough: Prove that the god ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE loves and cares for/ about the ENTIRE human race " My opponents next point regards the existence of Evil. Evil is a necessary consequence of free will. while most exercise their free will to do good, there will always be those who exercise it to do evil. it does not reflect the nature of God. God will not assume direct control of the universe because he wants people to choose him. As a result, evil will always exist. This is not in any way a losing issue.
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

Pro

"Therefore I shall first point out some verses that assert that claim." Great then what your bible points out to be is one big massive hypocritical contradiction and inconsistency, in other words, one true big mess if there ever was one, more on that later at the end of this broadcast to truly pulverize you because you obviously don"t know your god, bible and religion, thus making the bible truly unreadable.

But then again, this christian god would not be stupid enough nor imbecilic enough to rely on text as a source of communication, the worst source of communication possible so everybody can get it wrong with copies upon copies upon copies upon copies with translations upon translations upon translations upon translations with dead languanguages upon dead languages with a 0% chance of being able to trace it back to the original. And even if it could, who is going to interpret it correctly so that ---everybody--- interprets it correctly from across the globe? So nobody interprets correctly, no exceptions, none.

And those so-called verses you came up with? What? Are you serious? Naturally you being the dingleberry that you are didn"t prescribe the exact translations nor the verses now did you because you do realize that from translation to translation and copy to copy and dead language to dead language those verses vary. And who knows by how much? Could be a lot? Could be a little.

"My opponents next point is irrelevant in the debate. the debate is not over"" Oh but it is. You see your god only cared for his ridiculous jawed sandlot of microscopic chosen people in ONLY one little SPLATCH OF LAND and NOT PEOPLES ALL OVEr THE WORLD which is NOT THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. Think yah got it now sparky? Your printed god was as much of a racist pig and it doesn"t get any worse than that. The rules for the debate went quite crystal clear and they zap zang zowie zap zang zang zinglebort went right over your creampuff little head. You shouldn't pretend that you know something for nothing in which you know nothing about and thus invent excuses about nothing which is what the typical christian does.

"My opponents next point regards the existence of Evil. Evil is a necessary consequence of free will." Well if you believe in YOUR god then you have no free will. Now watch these videos in which 100% proves this and are irrefutable.
- All Knowing god versus Free Will: The Greatest Religious Contradiction
- Free Will With god
- god Favors Evil
- god allows Free Will?
Oh and btw, evil is NOT necessary. Evil is NOT a need. Evil is NOT a requirement. Only in YOUR god"s printed world it is.

"God will not assume direct control of the universe because he wants people to choose him." Well that"s quite possibly the dumbest thing you could have possibly ---ever--- have stated in your entire life. It proves that you should go back to your mother"s womb and re-acquire an entire new edumacation as well as an intelligence. You, by that statement just proved that you have no---free---will. If YOUR god is god he ALREADY KNOWS who will choose him and who will not, hence you do not have any free will at all. Your path is laid down long before you were even born, quadrillions of years in advance. That is IF and only IF YOUR god is god. And if not, then YOUR god is NOT a god and it really is that simple and your god is NOT omnipotent, does not know everything, is not all knowing nor is all powerful etc. You were just proven wrong no matter how you look at it.

"As a result, evil will always exist." Then YOUR god enjoys pain and suffering and is unwilling to do anything about it and does not care. Oh but wait to prove you wrong as always, what about the book of revelation? Sheesh I truly hate arguing with idiots like you who pretend to have answers when then are really cabbage batbrains who can"t even think beyond a yodeling grunge country opera.

And now only some of the verses that make you look like s--t and you deserve it because YOU don"t know YOUR bible AT ALL.

* god is what gives people false hope
* god hates gays in his bible and wants them stoned to death LV 20:13 proving god hates and is evil
* god hates anyone that does not believe in him in his bible 2 CHR 15: 12-13, ESPECIALLY if someone worships another god/ idols other than himself, thus wants to kill them DT 13: 9-10 and 17: 2-5 proving god hates and is evil.
* god endorses slavery in his bible EX 21 the entire chapter especially 20-21 which is truly sick and disgusting, LV 25:39, LV 25:42, LV 25: 44-46, DT 15: 12-15, DT 23: 14-16, MT 18:25, proving god hates and is evil
* god gets jealous in his bible EX 20: 3-5, EX 34:14, DT 4: 23-24, DT 32: 16-17, DT 5:9, DT 6:15, JH 24:19, PS 79:5, PS 78:58, 2 COR 1:2, proving that he is evil and hates.
* god wants you to die in his bible if you break the sabbath EX 31:14, NU 15: 32-36 proving god hates and is evil
* god wants to put you to death in his bible if you commit adultery LV 20:10 proving god hates and is evil
* god has freely admitted in his bible numerous times that he IS evil IS 45:7, 2 SAM 12: 11-14 sick and disgusting, EX 32:14, 1 KS 1 22: 22-23, 2 CR 18:22, JM 19:3, JM 19:15, JM 23:12, AM 3:6, DT 30:15, 2 KS 22:16, JU 9:23 thus proving that he IS evil which is irrefutable and also proves he hates
* god in his bible knowingly and truly hates children through numerous passages such as LM4: 9-11, MT 10:37, MT 2:16, JG 21:10, 2 SAM 12:11-14 which is truly sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31: 17-18, LV 26: 21-22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16, 2 KS 15:16, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, EX 12: 29-30, IS 13: 15-18, MT 2:16, (EX 21:17, LV 20:9, MK 7:10, MT 15:4, MT 10:21), JG 11: 30-33, PS 137: 8-9, 2 KS 6: 28-29, DT 21: 18-21, DT 32:25, DT 2: 32-34, DT 3: 3-6, JG 19: 24-29, EX 12:29, 2 HS 2: 23-24, LV 26:29, JM 11: 22-23, JM 19: 7-9, JM 51: 22-26, 2 KS 8: 9-15,LM 2: 20-22, RV 2: 18-23 only to name a few proves god hates and is 100% pure evil.
* god hates women in his bible LM 4 9-11 sick and disgusting, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, JD 21:10, 2 SAM 12 11-14 sick and disgusting, DT 2:34, NU 31 17:18, LV 26 21:22, 1 SAM 15:3, HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, DT 2 32-34, 2 KS 8: 9-15, 2 KS 15:16 sick and disgusting, EZ 9: 5-7, HS 9: 11-16, 2 KS 6: 28-29 sick and disgusting, JD 19: 24-29, LM 2 20-22 sick and disgusting, 1 COR 14:34,1 TY 2:12 proves god hates and is evil.
* god loves rape in his bible NU 31: 17-18, 2 SAM 12: 11-18 sick and disgusting, JD 19:24-29, JD 21: 10-24, DT 20: 10-14, DT 22: 28-29, DT 21: 10-14, JD 5:30, EX 21 7-11, ZE 14: 1-2 proving that he is evil, pure evil and nothing but, and is filled with hate.
* god commits abortions who knows how many times within several verses in his bible, so that means that christians do not follow their god which is extremely hypocritical and contradictory from his bible HS 13:16 sick and disgusting, 2 KS 8: 9-15 sick and disgusting, 2 HS 15:16 sick and disgusting, HS 9: 11-16, and perhaps the biggest acts of abortions were committed in the great flood according to this so-called god of the bible in the great flood (which never happened btw) so who knows how many pregnant mothers died there in his bible thus proving this god to be nothing but pure evil and hate.
* god loves yummy cannibalism in his bible LM 2: 20-22, JM 11: 22-23, LV 26:29, 2 KS 6:28-29, LM 4: 9-11, proving this god to be truly sick and completely whacked out thus is evil and hates.
* Indeed god is far far far worse than Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hong Xiuquan, all serial killers, all rapists, all tortures, all pedophiles, all sadomasochists etc etc etc combined. After all god knowingly created them which means that he is ultimately responsible for them. Its either that or god is not a god and lets them off the hook with nothing but a tap on the shoulder for their horrific, disgusting, repugnant crimes and simply god---does---not---care. Now here's some examples of god"s sickened, diseased, abominable atrocities for absolutely no reason at all... the great flood according to the bible (which never happened btw) so who knows what the body count was there? 3,000 EX 32:27-28, 14,700 NU 16:49, 24,002 NU 25: 1-11, 12,000 JOS 8: 1-25, 10,000 JG 1:4, 120,000 JG 8:7-10, 42,000 JG 12:3-6, 1,000 JD 15:14-15, 3,000 JD 16:27-30, 25,101 JD 16:27-30, 1 SAM 4 34,002, 1 SAM 6:19 50,070, 2 SAM 8 65,850, 1 KI 20: 28-29 100,000, 1 KI 20: 30 27,000, KI 19 35 -37 185,000, 2 CHR 13 17-18 500,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, 2 CHR 28:6 120,000, Esther 9:5-18 75,813 etc etc etc Yeah god is really so moral huh? Nope.
Should you or anyone be worshiping this so-called god who in his bible has demonstrated he has a superior bloated ego complex in which NOBODY can even prove exists? Why? Why not?

If you are going to continue with this debate with me, please at the very least, look up SOME verses in your bible, get them right, do some research for christ's sake rather than flatly inventing excuses and not knowing AT ALL what in the flying pregnant fetus screw you are squawking about. It would be just a bit nice.
passwordstipulationssuck

Con

First, bring up a few of these contradictions and we can discuss them. just saying that contradictions exist in the ether can't be debated.

ah yes. the "text is a terrible form of communication" argument. this is just a stupid as it was before. in that period. other than word of mouth which is far less efficient, text was the most effective means of communication possible.

also, we actually do have ancient manuscripts The New Testament has been preserved in more manuscripts than any other ancient work, having over 5,800 complete or fragmented Greek manuscripts, 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 9,300 manuscripts in various other ancient languages including Syriac, Slavic, Gothic, Ethiopic, Coptic and Armenian. Also from analyzing all of these manuscripts we have managed to get very certain about the original text. Fine. Do you want the original language? the verse? I can get that. Matthew 6:31 _6;P52; _9;P22;_7; _6;^9;`1;_3;_6;_7;P53;`3;_1;`4;^9; _5;P51;^7;_9;_7;`4;^9;`2;, ]2;P55; `6;P49;^7;`9;_6;^9;_7;; O72;, ]2;P55; `0;P55;`9;_6;^9;_7;; O72;, ]2;P55; `0;^9;`1;_3;^6;^5;_5;P61;_6;^9;_2;^5;; John 3:16 \7;P21;`4;`9;`2; ^7;P48;`1; O68;^7;P49;`0;_1;`3;^9;_7; P01; _2;^9;P56;`2; `4;P56;_7; _4;P57;`3;_6;_9;_7;, P37;`3;`4;^9; `4;P56;_7; `5;O85;P56;_7; `4;P56;_7; _6;_9;_7;_9;^7;^9;_7;Q34; O56;^8;`9;_4;^9;_7;, O89;_7;^5; `0;Q18;`2; P01; `0;_3;`3;`4;^9;P59;`9;_7; ^9;O84;`2; ^5;P16;`4;P56;_7; _6;P52; O36;`0;P57;_5;_1;`4;^5;_3; O36;_5;_5;' O56;`7;Q31; _0;`9;P52;_7; ^5;O84;P61;_7;_3;_9;_7;. satisfied? also, we have people who can speak Greek. ancient Greek is more of a dialect than a separate language. so with study, a Greek speaker can easily read ancient Greek

My opponent did not answer my next point. only called God racist. He didn't address that his own framework doesn't regard the existence of God. Next, as for the point he did make, At no point in the Bible does God claim that he only cares about the Jews. note, "for God so loved the WORLD" not for god so loved Israel.

Regarding free will, omniscience does not necessarily pertain to influence. If I leave a chocolate chip cookie on the table then leave the room and a 5-year-old walk in, I can predict that the five-year-old will eat the cookie because I know how five-year-olds work regarding the Id, ego, and superego. My knowledge of his actions in no way contradicted his ability to choose not to eat the cookie. another perspective is that God in his omniscience knows all possible choices and their outcomes. but again, does not actually influence the decision making. your logic breaks down, in the end, making your argument a clear non-sequitur. If free will exists so too does evil. these two ideas are inseparable from each other.

My opponent opens his next point with an ad hominem fallacy which is nothing new, then goes on to suggest that God already knows who will choose him. I will flow my previous argument to this point.

Just because you won't stop something doesn't mean you enjoy it. For example, a parent needs to come to terms with the fact that they can't stop their children from making poor decisions. the only way they could would be to lock them up. just because the parent won't lock up their child doesn't mean they enjoy it when they make bad choices. your logic once again devolves into non-sequitur.

What about Revelation? that's not an argument. if you're referencing the events of revelation, I would once again refer you to the parent analogy. A parent may attempt to deter bad choices by outlining punishments. this does not affect free will.

In all of the verses he provided, I don't see any that came from the new testament and thus the new covenant. please find some from there. in fact, your second chronicles source directly uses phrasing linked to the old covenant.
Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

Pro

OK Due to the absolute fact that you are a total idiot, this debate is now over. Christars like you simply CAN'T READ.
passwordstipulationssuck

Con

No arguments were made in this post. only an ad hominem fallacy. it's clear my opponent is incapable of making any fallacious or non-sequitur argument. If my opponent refuses to post again I'm going to consider this a win.
Debate Round No. 3
backwardseden

Pro

It is so ridiculously easy to see why my opponent is a teeny bopper and does not understand the English language and because he is only 16 is completely unedumacated, unintelligent and has the brains of a spitball splatting on his you know where areas when he showers.
What was stated in RD3 should have kicked his a$$ into high gear, meaning that his juicetromitor screwed up somewhere along the lines. Nah. That'd be far toooooooooo easy for even a lowlife degraded simpleton like my opponent to figure out hands down in a pile of maggot poop to use the slightest bit of total recall on. But he didn't, and instead started bickering his white noise pitter patter of his mad hatter scarred brain tissue to blow out of his nose ring so he believes I should follow him down his yellow thick frozen toad ready to be brought back to life. Well things do not work that way.
So let's refresh shall we to completely demoralize the idiot because like the typical christian that my opponent clearly is he CAN'T READ. Now what was stated in RD2? Well duh for the bubonic plague that my opponent clearly is " then what your bible points out to be is one big massive hypocritical contradiction and inconsistency, in other words, one true big mess if there ever was one, more on that later at the end of this broadcast" Now what does that mean when stated "more on that later at the end of this broadcast?" Well by gum gosh golly gee gosh darned it all had my opponent even READ WHAT WAS STATED RATHER THAN OPEN HIS GOD DAMNED MAW it was clear because AT THE END OF THE BROADCAST IS STATED: "And now only some of the verses that make you look like s--t and you deserve it because YOU don"t know YOUR bible AT ALL." Now what part of that DOESN'T YOUR TEENY BOPPER 16 YEAR OLD MICRON BRAIN NOT UNDERSTAND???????

Goodbye. You lose. You did not pay any attention to them. It is so clear, that you, just like soooooo many christianss cannot, no matter what pay any attention to actual evidence especially when slapped in the face with it. Have a nice jesus jujitsu life without not even knowing the difference between spam and eggs. And get some genuine friends for jeez sakes. Go outside. Breathe some fresh air.
passwordstipulationssuck

Con

more ad hominems, no arguments. everyone should just ignore any debate posted by this imbecile. When I make arguments he doesn't know how to counter, he devolves into crying and screaming. simply pathetic.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by passwordstipulationssuck 6 months ago
passwordstipulationssuck
For some reason, DDO changed the Greek to numbers and symbols. it worked fine when I typed it in. Sorry about that.
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