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Public Education: Communism in America and the reason why America is falling

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Started: 2/23/2013 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Christianjiji

Pro

Have you ever heard of the saying, "America sucks because you suck"? It is definitely true thanks to the "very good" service our government has provided us with its "free" education. You should understand that I am being sarcastic here. Our U.S. government may say that they are providing the best education for the students; but in truth, they are providing the worst education possible.

What is public education? The most commonly held view of public education is, without doubt, the least accurate, in that it tells us very little about the realities of public education. It is based on a collection of myths which most Americans are quite reluctant to give up.

The first myth is that public education is a great democratic institution fundamental to America's prosperity and well-being. The second myth is that public education is necessary as the great equalizer in our society, bringing together children from different ethnic, social, racial, and religious groups and combining them into homogenized "Americans" which we are all supposed to want to be. The third myth is that it provides the best possible education because we are the best possible country spending the most possible money. The fourth myth is that our society cannot survive without it- that is, public education and all the people who run it.

These myths are so hard to discard because it requires discarding an even greater myth that props up the whole edifice: that all men are equal and that government, as the great equalizer, is the most benevolent dispenser of human goodness, generosity, and justice on earth. The framers of the Declaration of Independence did not mean "created equal" in the egalitarian sense it is used today. Egalitarianism leads to monotonous sameness, in which individuality, free choice, and the expression of individual values are suppressed for a supposed higher value of collective sameness. What they meant was that everyone should have the maximum freedom and opportunity to lead his or her life according to that individual's values. But the current trend in public education is to eradicate or deny the existence of differences, particularly sexual, racial, and religious differences, to a point that such confusion that individual identity becomes more and more difficult for youngsters to define, let alone achieve. The only way an individual can achieve a sense of identity today in public education is to rebel against it. And perhaps this is one of the reasons for the steadily increasing destruction of school property by American students.

By brainwashing the students with such ideas, the government uses them for their own advantage. Why the government is doing such thing is because of evil, corrupted government officials who has also been brainwashed by public education, which gains its foundation from communist ideas and propaganda.
hcps-jainap

Con

You first claim that public education isn't necessary to America's prosperity and well-being. This couldn"t be further from the truth. Without public education, our country could not have developed as quickly as it has in the 20th century. Public education has trained citizens of our country in pretty much every field imaginable, including literature, biology, chemistry, mathematics, and politics. In addition, scientists couldn"t have created fields such as Biomedical Engineering, Computer Engineering, and Virtual Reality without having a foundation provided in Public Education. Even students who never finished public educations still have basic reading and mathematical abilities necessary to survive in America. From these examples, we can see that public education isn"t just necessary to America"s prosperity and well-being. Rather, we can see how public education has created our country"s prosperity and well-being. From this information, we can see also see how the fourth "myth" is actually correct, to a certain extent. I will elaborate this in later posts, as I will run out of space otherwise.

The second claim you make is that public education doesn"t attempt to bring children together from different ethnic, social, racial, and religious groups. You also claim that public education attempts to mold into homogenized "Americans" which we are all supposed to want to be. These claims also couldn"t be further from the truth. Public education, by definition, allows children from all ethnic, social, racial, and religious backgrounds to receive a basic amount of knowledge. It has been this way since the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In addition, public education leaders are trying to expand Charter and Magnet School programs in the United States so that people from all groups and cultures can have access to the best possible education if they work hard enough. In addition, public education is not at all trying to create a homogenous America. In fact, the system tries to create a stratified America, in which those who work the hardest get the most in return. Those who get the best grades and take the hardest coursework (ex. IB, AP) have the best opportunities to land scholarships and to get into the best colleges.

The third claim you make is that the U.S. government and its officials say that our system "provides the best possible education because we are the best possible country spending the most possible money." This isn't true. President Barrack Obama constantly reminds us how, according to PISA rankings, we are 25th in the world in Math and 24th in the world in Science. He constantly talks about how we spend far more on our national defense budget than we do on our educational budget, and how our primary and secondary school teachers are among the lowest-paid in the world in relation to the per-capita GDP incomes. This is why government officials constantly attempt to raise our educational budget to make our schools more competitive internationally
Debate Round No. 1
Christianjiji

Pro

What has defiled the education in America through public schools began with the teaching of evolution. The teaching of evolution has corrupted the minds of the students in many ways. First, why teach evolution when even the founder of evolution, Charles Darwin, stated himself that evolution is not true? The teaching that man "evolves" to a better being as time passes has made this generation of deluded narcissists, which has been agreed by Fox news recently. It was also, in fact, Darwin's idea of the survival of the fittest and other principles that promoted Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold to shoot their fellow classmates at the famous Columbine High School massacre.

You can also see that most public schools, especially high schools, are far behind private and home institutions in their course levels. Look at the national math, science, and other academic competitions in the U.S. Most are won by private and home school students. Where are the public school students who supposedly receive the best education? They rarely get on the news except for criminal and other negative issues.

What has public education really done to the U.S.? Average SAT scores have dropped throughout the decade, unemployment and criminal rate is skyrocketing, and America's debt is increasing every second. Has the "free" public education which costs billions of dollars really paid off to make the nation greater?Or did it just put U.S. in a greater debt?

What happened to all the schools with Biblical doctrines and principles that the schools taught and stood on? Most of the great colleges and universities we know today such as Harvard, William and Mary, Yale, Princeton, Columbia were all Christian based schools. In fact, most of the Founding Fathers did not ever attend public schools but received education at home. If you say that public education has nothing to do with private and home education, you are completely wrong. Many states have complicated the laws for home schooling and private schools because the government does not want its citizens to receive other education except for its own public education! The government's competition for education against private and home schools continually goes on today.

hcps-jainap

Con

To address your point about Charles Darwin, you take his comment about the human eye out of context. Darwin said: "That the human eye could have been formed by natural selection seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false." The reason for declining SAT scores is that more students, including minority students and lower-performing students and not just college-bound students, are taking the test. The majority of Nobel Prize, Math/Science Olympiad and Intel Science Fair winners come from public high schools, particularly from magnet schools such as Bronx High School for Science, which has turned out five Nobel Prize Winners, and Lowell High School, which has turned out four Nobel Prize Winners. In my area, private school students are considered wealthy but below-par, and have not once in the past 20 years placed in the top 3 in Regional Debate, Quiz Bowl, or Math Olympiad Competitions. The unemployment, currently falling, spiked because of the recession, which was actually milder than the 1982, and has no bearing on public education. The crime rate peaked in the 1990s and has fallen ever since. The budget of the Department of Education is $12 billion, which makes up about 0.33% of the $3.83 trillion National Budget, so it doesn"t contribute that much to our debt. Now, to address your comments about past Biblical institutions and our founding fathers: let"s look at that time period. The Puritans in Massachusetts essentially ran a public education system, as they mandated education through the Church. Students learned to read and write in these schools. As the Church ran Puritan Society, and as public schools are defined as schools supported by community funds, we can say that Massachusetts did have a primitive public school system. This was the best educated area of the country. John Adams and Benjamin Franklin attended such schools. Now, let"s look at the south. The south had no form of mandated school system. As a result, the literacy rates of the south were estimated to be much lower than that of the north. To address your point about Christian-based schools: Schools solely dedicated to religious studies, such as Harvard, didn"t have detailed study of science, math, or English until they developed into full universities. As these core subjects increased in importance and our country became more secular, the Bible was limited to the Church. Also, governments are not trying to make citizens attend their public schools. In addition, there are new movements for "school choice," where students can get vouchers to attend private schools or get home-schooled. Of course, in most places where this has been tried, namely in Milwaukee, the test scores for the children on vouchers in Private schools were lower than those of students from similar demographic groups in public schools, but that's a debate for another day
Debate Round No. 2
Christianjiji

Pro

Christianjiji forfeited this round.
hcps-jainap

Con

I'll now address the remainder of the issues you have raised in your posts that I haven't already addressed. You claim that the government tries to tell us that we cannot survive without public education. This claim is true: our country in its current form cannot survive without public education, as our knowledge-based economy requires that its citizens at least have a basic education. In addition, the vast majority of the economic growth can be attributed to people who created new technology and ideas using concepts they had learned from public schools. Public schools allow for all people, not just the rich, to be able to have access to a baseline education. This meas that there is more potential for all people to engage in activities that promote the growth of the economy and the growth of knowledge. You also claim that the government purports "that all men are equal and that government, as the great equalizer, is the most benevolent dispenser of human goodness, generosity, and justice on earth. " This is completely untrue. As I've stated earlier, public education does indeed provide knowledge to any student, regardless of their background, but it does not paint a picture of all men as equal. Rather, by rewarding kids who get the best grades and take the hardest courses the most scholarship money and the best college acceptances, public schools show that we are not equal, and that the harder we work, the more we will reap the benefits. Now onto your points about Darwinism. This theory does not teach that "that man "evolves" to a better being." Rather, Darwinism teaches that "new species arise and are perpetuated by natural selection." In other words, those who are best suited for the environment (ex. able to hide underground in the event of an asteroid impact) survive. I don't see how your point about the Columbine shooters illustrates how Darwin's theories shouldn't be taught at schools. Caligula, Timur, Idi Amin, Ivan the Terrible, and Leopold II were all creationists. All together, these men killed millions of people, many more than the Columbine shooters did. Does this disprove creationism? No! Scientific evidence disproves evolution. You also claim that public school students rarely get on television except for when they commit crimes. In my area, we just had a public school student from a local magnet school that was interviewed for inventing a radiation detector that was the size of a pen tip. The last time a private school got on the news in my area, it was for a huge Cocaine scandal. The news also tends to report the bad over the good, because bad news is more interesting. Anyhow, from all of the evidence I presented, we can see that public schooling is very important to the United States and does not in fact breed Corrupt Communist Politicians. VOTE CON!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Christianjiji 3 years ago
Christianjiji
@hcps-jainap The education in public schools is corrupting the minds of many students, who may become the leaders of the next generation; thus America has no choice but to fall into corruption with its corrupt leaders.
Posted by hcps-jainap 3 years ago
hcps-jainap
Hello! So is your position that the interpretation of public education and the Constitution as being egalitarian is what is destroying America, and that "Communism in America is why our country is failing? Thanks!
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