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Punishment For The Penn State Football Program

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Started: 10/20/2012 Category: Sports
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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aresrat

Con

While true that Sandusky sexually molested children on Penn State's campus, The current players were in elementary school at the latest and everybody from that era is now gone from the program.
The team's current roster should have a shot at competing for a championship just like everyone else and the program should get their scholarships back.
Most of all, that fine is a down right disgrace to the college football and the NCAA leaders should be ashamed of themselves.
Artorius

Pro

First of all, thank you for the debate topic. It's a nice one, for sure.

Let's look at the other sanctions that have been placed on teams for breaking rules. Ohio State received a one year BCS Bowl BAN for exchanging rings, jerseys, and other sports paraphenaelia for only fourteen thousand dollars. Southern Methodist University's team was completely CANCELLED for one season because of allegations that officials payed off one of their players, leaving their team in shambles. Looking at other sanctions in the NCAA realm, it seems that the NCAA has taken their stance on sex scandals: There shouldn't be any.

And why should there not be any sex scandals on NCAA ground? My opponent would have you believe that the program is "wrong" because the students did not have anything to do with the Penn-State scandal. However, Pennsylvania State had hidden the child abuse for a decade. How do you respond to a decade's worth of child abuse in a program which children actually look up to? You would think that the school had discovered it by now, but Joe Paterno devilishly masked the devious works of Jerry Sandusky. Justice was served. He lost all of his wins within the timeframe he hid Jerry Sandusky from the wolves, and most of all, the Nittany Lions are cowed from the football world, losing their scholarships and BCS Bowl opportunities.

If anything, the Penn-State lions had an incredibly soft penalty. For far less, SMU lost an entire season and were not allowed on prime-time television for five entire years. They're incredibly lucky to still be playing football today, and it would be incredibly foolish to think otherwise.

RESOLVED: The Penn-State punishment is reasonable.
Debate Round No. 1
aresrat

Con

While true that Coach Paterno protected Sandusky, he is dead and gone and he has been punished through the removal of wins and his statue. However, you still haven't stated why the current generation should be punished for the mistakes of the last.
In response to those other cases you talked about, I never heard about them, but now that you've told me, I think those punishments were wrong as well, but this debate isn't about those.
Artorius

Pro

Your arguments seem to take the same shape and you've CONCEDED that the act was wrong at this point. If an act is wrong, does a person deserve to be punished for their crime? It doesn't matter if it's an entity or the entire world, if something wrong has been done, a punishment will follow. In this sense, this debate is over. I have provided sufficient proof that the punishment on the Penn State Football team was justified, which Con seems to agree with.

On the subject of the "current generation", the only students who feel any sort of punishment from this sentencing would be the actual players themselves. This punishment makes itself clear because Penn State loses numerous scholarships from the conduct of their FOOTBALL COACH. This is a football related act and one of heinous proportions, which cannot be ignored by the football community. Some may say that because the police dealt with Sandusky, that Football should NOT protect the remaining children who could be abused by coaches, who have their trust and should be able to feel okay around them when they are actually in danger.

NO ONE is actually being punished in this case, just the football program. No one is being stopped from playing Nittany Lions football, it is now just incredibly hard to compete on a national level for the Lions. That is not a punishment that extends to "the current generation", but is a direct punishment to the FOOTBALL PROGRAM for not watching the children and protecting them from Sandusky.

On the subject of whether this is a football-related punishment, it is not. I concede that it is not a form of football-related punishment as the other examples I had were. HOWEVER, it can be dealt with on a secondary basis as most "secondary" punishments can be dealt with in the NCAA [1], as they are tailored specifically to the school's transgression. One of such moral

The opposition has not provided any proof as to why the punishment is NOT justified. All his hokum revolves around the "current generation" who is not being punished. At all.

The Resolution is Affirmed: The Penn-State punishment is reasonable.

[1]http://www.ncaa.org...
Debate Round No. 2
aresrat

Con

aresrat forfeited this round.
Artorius

Pro

Aresrat has conceded the round, and I continue to push the resolution that the Penn-State punishment is reasonable.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Artorius 4 years ago
Artorius
My apologies, I forgot to continue one of my arguments. :/
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