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Adreniline
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FourTrouble
Con (against)
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Quantum physics: We are immortal.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/7/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Adreniline

Pro

Since energy cannot be created or destroyed, and consciousness is energy, we cannot be destroyed either. Whether a higher power is real is not relevant, because no matter what we do in this life, the next timeline we live in will be different. There are multiple universes, and multiple versions of yourself. Even if you die in one, in the next you would still exist.
FourTrouble

Con

1. Consciousness is not energy. There's no scientific consensus on what consciousness is, but a huge number of scientists, philosophers, and psychologists believe consciousness it not "energy," and even that it exists in a different ontological domain than the physical world

2. Even if consciousness is energy, it can still be destroyed. Consider: A tree is energy. You burn the tree. It becomes ash. The ash is energy. A tree is not ash. Just because something is energy doesn't mean it can't be destroyed.

3. There's no proof that there exist multiple universes with multiple versions of yourself. That can't be proven in either direction, so Pro fails that argument, since he has the burden of proof. But assuming there are multiple universes, that's still irrelevant towards proving immortality.

4. Quantum physics cannot be used to prove immortality. Pro doesn't even cite a single thing about quantum physics, so even assuming that he's proven immortality, he still hasn't shown that quantum physics is the basis of immortality.
Debate Round No. 1
Adreniline

Pro

Adreniline forfeited this round.
FourTrouble

Con

Pro forfeited. Extend arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
Adreniline

Pro

Adreniline forfeited this round.
FourTrouble

Con

Okay. Pro did a full forfeit.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by graveyard 2 years ago
graveyard
"2. Even if consciousness is energy, it can still be destroyed. Consider: A tree is energy. You burn the tree. It becomes ash. The ash is energy. A tree is not ash. Just because something is energy doesn't mean it can't be destroyed."

A tree is the form the energy takes, not the energy itself, so it can't be destroyed. The tree=ash taking on a different form (how one tree changes all the time, growing and shedding leaves, water distribution; it doesn't make it a vastly different thing.) Because there's no proof anything can be "destroyed," there is no proof that we die-- the evidence instead is that whatever we're made of can't be destroyed, thus we continue to go on existing, not dying.
Posted by FourTrouble 2 years ago
FourTrouble
I never said Pro's wrong that energy cannot be destroyed. But just because energy isn't destroyed doesn't mean that things - trees, apples, pigs, wolves, etc. - aren't destroyed.
Posted by Uzume 2 years ago
Uzume
Con... energy can not be created nor be destroyed. Pro is right about that... As for consciousness being energy, I do not know enough to say anything about that.
Posted by Uzume 2 years ago
Uzume
Pro is travelling on a tough road. :P
Posted by SNP1 2 years ago
SNP1
How is consciousness energy? How do you even know consciousness is real? You are ignoring one of the great philosophical mysteries...
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