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Quickfire Debate- Ends At 11:00- Bigger influence on humanity, religion or economy?

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Started: 1/17/2015 Category: News
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otaku.miner

Pro

First round is acceptance only.
Quickfire debate. It will end quickly.
Topic- Has economy or religion effected humanity more?
I will be taking the side of the opposite of what the other chose, you can chose religion or economics.
Good luck.
mrpilotgamer

Con

Hello otaku. I will argue that religion has bigger influence, whether good or bad. good luck
Debate Round No. 1
otaku.miner

Pro

Economy has a bigger influence because many wars have been started because of economy. For example, the Civil War. Many know this as a cause of slavery, but really, it was because of economy. A brutal, bloody war between themselves because of.....cotton production. The South was famous of its cotton production, but after a couple of fights, they decided they wanted to increase prices and decrease amounts. Can you believe it? Fighting for yourself for a couple of bucks.
mrpilotgamer

Con

Alright.

Opening arguments:

When we think of religion and how it has helped mold our history, we might think of moral values; however, religion has affected more than that. It has changed the way we live our lives, even from our early history. This period of history called Anglo-Saxon was heavily influenced by the Roman Catholics. The churches criticism of their "north Umbrian" dress for being to pagan actually had a large impact on the way people dress from 400-900 AD. The changes of the Anglo-Saxons were strongly encouraged by the Roman Catholic Church (clothing and apparel). All the changes the Anglo- Saxons went though, they shared with the Germanic and Germanized people of Europe. Therefore, their new culture spread (SITE)

Another thing from 400-900 AD that was influenced by the Roman Catholics was the way the pagans lived. The church encouraged farming, as opposed to not being so nomadic. The Anglo-Saxons went over time from being barbarians to farmers who worked the land. They also somewhat started to learn to read, so they could read the bible ("Anglo-Saxon").

As you move through history you will find that religion is evident in all things, like the way structures were built. Some of the most famous archaeological buildings are ones made for worship. Like the Parthenon, or the church of England.

Along with this, we had the crusades.

Deaths: 5,000,000 in the first 4 crusades, with another 1,000,000 in the Albigensian Crusade.
Then to weed out those nasty people that were left, there was The Holy Office to deal with, which accounted for around another 140,000. Mostly tortured first before suffering some disgusting fate that they dreamed up.
Maybe 200,000 witches, then you can add in the Wars of Religion in Europe that was about 3,400,000, The 30 Years War, 40% of Germany annihilated plus 1000`s of others.
Debate Round No. 2
otaku.miner

Pro

Cha-ching is what everybody thinks. An example of this is how society is today. People would rather be out there, doing jobs, buying IPhones, etc., rather than going down on their knees and praying. Let's be honest here, nobody cares about religion any more.
Another example economy has a bigger influence on humanity is World War II. One of the most remembered moments is the attack of Pearl Harbour. At that moment, Japan wanted to basically dominate more land--and MONEY. They wanted money, and they started attacking neighbouring or well-profitable lands. One of those lands? America.
A final example economy has a bigger influence is how even back then in the days of extremely early America, people wanted to come because of the cash crops, the lush forests for plentiful lumber, and luxurious lakes for fish. The London Company sent people, and the Virginia Company for he earliest settlement of the English- Jamestown.
CHA-CHING!
mrpilotgamer

Con

rebuttals:

1: "Economy has a bigger influence because many wars have been started because of economy. For example, the Civil War. Many know this as a cause of slavery, but really, it was because of economy. A brutal, bloody war between themselves because of.....cotton production. The South was famous of its cotton production, but after a couple of fights, they decided they wanted to increase prices and decrease amounts. Can you believe it? Fighting for yourself for a couple of bucks."

what caused slavery, according to:www.ket.org/civilwar/causes.html

"The issues that caused the Civil War had been brewing since the United States was formed. The most important causes Southerners listed for the war were unfair taxation, states' rights, and the slavery issue."

while we see that taxation is an issue, we also see more state rights and slavery, along with the government making laws to have slaves freed.

2: "Another example economy has a bigger influence on humanity is World War II. One of the most remembered moments is the attack of Pearl Harbour. At that moment, Japan wanted to basically dominate more land--and MONEY. They wanted money, and they started attacking neighbouring or well-profitable lands. One of those lands? America."

The reason of attacking was breaking down political relations. they attacked not only to join a side, but to send a message.

3: "A final example economy has a bigger influence is how even back then in the days of extremely early American, people wanted to come because of the cash crops, the lush forests for plentiful lumber, and luxurious lakes for fish. The London Company sent people, and the Virginia Company for he earliest settlement of the English- Jamestown."

The reason England sent people here was easily because of taxing relations between France and England. we see this because while both France settled in Canada, and England settled in America, they began to fight in the seven years war, before the American revolution.
Debate Round No. 3
otaku.miner

Pro

Good points. I applaud you for your excellence.
This will be the final round, good luck.

Economy has a greater influence on humanity because without economy, people would not thrive. They have to have forms of trade, and since they can't tell differences between some things (i.e. potato=? tomato), money would be the solution, and economy has thrived ever since.

Economic growth has thrived in the 1900s and has been rapidly spreading. There is no main cause or place where it started, but basically the start of requirement for railroads and public transportation gave a need.

No person would pray to God for a lift or a new Porsche. They buy it. That's what this world, that is, is basically based on.

And another period in time where economics really effected humanity was during the Great Depression. Many people lost their jobs, leaving people on the streets, begging or living in cardboard boxes. Very little people had even a dollar.

This period of time left a lasting impact because economy crashed, leading to new companies, new opportunities, etc.

God didn't make that happen, we did. We built up our money, worked hard. Economics has effected us a lot, and even now, not many people pray or have specific or designated religions. Many people nowadays are atheists or just believe what their family does.

Thank you.
mrpilotgamer

Con

Rebuttals:

1: "Economy has a greater influence on humanity because without economy, people would not thrive. They have to have forms of trade, and since they can't tell differences between some things (i.e. potato=? tomato), money would be the solution, and economy has thrived ever since.

Economic growth has thrived in the 1900s and has been rapidly spreading. There is no main cause or place where it started, but basically the start of requirement for railroads and public transportation gave a need."

I do not deny that economy is important. but religion has left a lasting mark on earth.

2: "And another period in time where economics really effected humanity was during the Great Depression. Many people lost their jobs, leaving people on the streets, begging or living in cardboard boxes. Very little people had even a dollar.

This period of time left a lasting impact because economy crashed, leading to new companies, new opportunities, etc.

God didn't make that happen, we did. We built up our money, worked hard. Economics has effected us a lot, and even now, not many people pray or have specific or designated religions. Many people nowadays are atheists or just believe what their family does."

While you are right about that, the great depression didn't leave as lasting of a mark.

the great depression did build us the Hoover dam. but not the Parthenon. or the church of England. or the colossus.

Thanks otaku.
Debate Round No. 4
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