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Started: 6/6/2016 Category: Religion
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harrytruman having a laugh when he claims that the Quran is violent and antismetic/racist and he is a jew... so lets compare the 2 holy books of each religion Quran and Bible and the ppl a side. good luck. debate.


I will be proving that the Qur'an is violent, sexist, intolerant of other cultures, and yes, Anti-semetic. As well as that the Torah is none of these things.

The Qur'an says you can beat your wife (Qur'an 4:34) and that you can rape your wife (Qur'an 2:223) both of which are explicitly banned in the Torah, marital rape is still considered rape, a crime punishable by stoning to death. Beating your wife is also banned, if someone does this their wife is entitled to a divorce as well as compensation and you still have to pay her for the rest of your life. {1}

It also says in a minimum of 109 places to murder infidels, I have chosen to provide the top few, such as Qur'an 2:191:
"And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."
Also please note that it says "where you catch them," thus disproving any claims that this was self-defense. There are also many other verses which are violent, I just won't quote all of them, but it's all here (Qur'an 3:151, 4:89, 8:12, 8:39, 9:5, and 17:16).

But then we find a very different instruction in Exodus 23:9:

Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt.”

And then there is the issue of revenge,
Qur'an 2:194 says:
"[Fighting in] the sacred month is for the sacred month, and for violations is retribution. So whoever offers you violence, then offer ye likewise violence. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him."

Whereas Leviticus 19:18 says otherwise:
This is in direct contradiction with Leviticus 19:18, which says:

Do not take vengeance on or bear a grudge against any of your people; rather, love your neighbor as yourself; I am Adonai.”

This is insanity, even the Non-Testament says for us to love our enemies, but the Qur’an says to exact revenge on anyone who offends you!

Now let’s see here, which is a better religion, the one that says you can abuse your wife, murder people of other religions, exact revenge, etc. Or the one where women are given equal status as men, rape is punished by stoning to death, beating your wife is prohibited, senseless violence is prohibited, and so is revenge. Which one sounds more peaceful to you?


Debate Round No. 1


Sorry for the delay busy these days....

now imagine a jewish state ruled by the Torah. state of Israel we have today is secular not ruled by religous ppl. they will follow rules of the Torah...

1 - death for punishments:

1) Apostasy
Deuteronomy 13:6-12 no freedom of religion

what the Quran say about that? my friend here lying about Quran about "kiling infitels" and he take a verse out of context as usual. what preuise verse is saying? 2:190
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."

dont take out of context u idiot. u just copied it from another site.

2) Adultery
Exodus 20 by that most jews in israel must kill themselves lol.

3) killing of homosexuals u have plenty homos in israel too
Leviticus 18 and 20

4) Witchcraft
for that in the christian history they burned "witchs" just until the 18 19 century!

Takingname of God in vain or cursing his name
Leviticus 24:16 no free speech

6)Cursing a parent or disobeying
Exodus 21:15, 21:17 Leviticus 20:9. imagine....

2) - slevary:

there is no condemnation of slevary in the bible or freeing them except 1 verse and that is.... freeing a jew slave after 7 years of work. only jews got this privilege.

what the Quran say about that? u have plenty verses saying free slaves as a commmand. for example:

2:177 -Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.

3) - Racism:

God of the Torah is so loving the jews that he choses elevates them as a best of nation, and u cant really join them. non jews called "Goyem"/ Gentile and they r lower ppl. such a racist. to be a jews means your mother is a jewess its bloodline privilege.

what Quran say about this? 49:13
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

the righteous is the best according to Quran, to Bible is the bloodline. amazing. the prophet said:
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action.

4) incest:

this book of "God" got 10 cases of incest, our great prophets commiting incest in the bible and God never punishs them. such a moral guide. for example Son commits incest and rapes his mothers wholesale :2 SAMUEL 16:22
."So they spread Absalom (another of the sons of David) a tent up on the top of the house; and Absalom WENT IN (had intercourse) unto his father's concubines (same as "wives", see KETURAH in the index) in the sight of ALL ISRAEL.

5) massacres:

this unjust God of the bible always kills ppl without reason. i dont know which verse to pick u have plenty here, here 1:

1 Samuel 15:3 "Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”"

lets say men fighting u, but what woman child infant!! and animal done? such a blood thirsty god commanding to kill everybody, disgusting.

6) revenge:

i see my friend here dont know what accualy stated in the bible about this. the bible states Exodus 21:24 - "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot," but he dont like that so he have to take some verse i think out of context again bcz his law is one of the most fundamentals of judaism.

what the Quran says about this? again there r many verses the Quran speaks on this but here some:\

A good action and a bad action are not the same. Repel the bad with something better and, if there is enmity between you and someone else, he will be like a bosom friend.? (Qur?an 41:34)

The repayment of a bad action is one equivalent to it. But if someone pardons and puts things right, his reward is with God. Certainly He does not love wrongdoers.? (Qur?an, 42:40)

those who give in times of both ease and hardship, those who control their rage and pardon other people ? God loves the good-doers" (Qur?an, 3:134)

You will never cease to come upon some act of treachery on their part, except for a few of them. Yet pardon them, and overlook. God loves good-doers. (Qur?an, 5:13

7) rape:

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins."

bible says that a a rape victim must marry the rapist. such honor to women in judism.

my friend again out of context verse from the Quran where it says "beat " your wifes. what is false. 4:34
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend from their means (to support the women). Therefore the righteous women are devout and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, go back to them (in intimacy), if they return to obedience and do not seek any means of annoyance against them. Certainly, Allah is Most High, Most Great.

its about ill conduct women, first u admonish them next seperade beds and next thing is taping them as a symbolic. the next verse is saying:
"And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things]."

the prophet said: "the best of you are those who are the best to their wives". that is what islam is about not what you trying to imply.

another lie is Qur'an 2:223 where it says "rape". it doesnt.

anyway leting read the bible to children will effect them mentaliy, reading rape massacres racism incest sex... if u read junky stuff your mind will be junky if u eat junky food your body will be junky.
Debate Round No. 2


POPOO5560 forfeited this round.


I win.
Also, Jews are not a race.
Debate Round No. 3


POPOO5560 forfeited this round.


That's why you can have black jews, white jews, middle eastern jews, etc.
Debate Round No. 4


lol i wasnt here. sorry for that but anyways your reply is scribble with nonsense answers... u dont know your judism... oh wait u will see more grammar errors enjoy!

1 apostasy

according to the bible the punishment for apostasy isdeath, its not for "specific time" your dont know your bible i feel sorry for u. his guy Rabbi Nachum Shifren is well known rabbi for his hate agaist muslims in the UK, where he leads zombie masses of EDL (english defence league). look how funny to catch somebody critisizing ppl but in secret he believes what he throwing at them... here he first lies but keep watching when the debater mentioned punishment for apostasy and homos in the jewish bible. learn your bible.

for for the punishments of death he didnt reply direct anser except he admits homos to be killed... fail. also Quran never says what the punishment for gays. hadiths r much later (200+ years) after the prophets death for that i said Quran vs Bible not other stuff. Quran is the most importent source.

my friend here quotes 3:151 and says that its about the "unbelievers" that God will put terrot into their hearts... from verse 3:121 to 3:175 it talks about the battle of Uhd. another fail.

he claims that " In Islam, you are killed in a much worse fashion for even speaking ill of Muhammad"
oh really? where it says that? no source for that. coping wiki page doesnt help u.

slavery - he didnt answer that too. nonsense. slavery is allowed in the bible even God the loving one commands to kill ppl men women and children plus animal for no reason. oh also to take slavery young girls for their enjoyment.

Quran allows slavery? right but also it says to free them for many reasons in many places in Quran. u tried to make lovy dovy interpitation of the "Torah" for slavery. non jews keeped slaves for life. try again. a gentile privilege.

racism - lol he qoutes from the Quran ""Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

whats wrong with that? the best among u is who do what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in God. whats more u want? bloodline somebody?

the Prophet used to buy slaves and free them. funny "no rights" yeah sure. slavery in Islam is not like slavery in other religions. slaves means "prisoners of war" not about color or race. after each war the prisoners under your protection. they eat the samething u eay and dress them as you do. slaves can get their freedom thats very open in the Quran. where in the bible slaves non jews can be free? they cant. another fail.

Incest - im not saying its not a sin but the problem here is the prophets all over the place committed incest, and God never punished them. whats the morol of that? u can do it God wont punish u for that. read such stories to children will ruin their brain, rape incest sex mass murder genocides... ok tell me if u can read this passage from the "word of God" to your children family or wife if u have the guts to do so: yes or no. if u ashame to read it to your familty u know inside your heart its not the word of God.

if u cant atleast read verse 23 - ". 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled."

Massacres - lol attacking me about my grammar or personally doent help u. how u can justify God commanding to kill babies women and animals. what they did? how can God allow such nonsense u tell me. again u didnt answer that one.

revenge - he says "The "eye for an eye" clause didn"t constitute revenge, that was a clause for the courts to use in punishing a crime, not for an individual to use against another individual" same for the Quran smart guy trying to dance around the bushes. 2:194 u qouted it our of context and i corrected u to read from verse 2:190 to 194. again fail.

Rape - u dont need to show me anything, its full of rape. one of the sons of David shows u how to rape your own sister in 2 samuel 13:6. gang rape in judges 19L25.

the types of stories u read will creat the type of mantelity that u have, i feel sorry for u.

no Quran never says "rape" u never qouted that one throwing nubmer shows u r a big failure again,

one of my easiest debates i ever had :) no real rebuttals at all.


My opponent wrote this argument when he was drunk and high on crack apparently, sorry- I can't understand a thing you said. Go get English classes, then obrer up, then come back and debate me.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by POPOO5560 4 months ago
lol what ashame!!
Posted by whiteflame 4 months ago
>Reported vote: TheChristian// Mod action: Removed<

3 points to Pro (Arguments), 2 points to Con (Conduct, S&G). Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeited multiple times. Even though it was for good reason, still ff. Pro also made multiple grammar and spelling errors. Pro and Con both cited holy books of two religions however, and while the number of sources is irrelevant, quality is present in both, in equal amounts.

[*Reason for removal*] (1) S&G is insufficiently explained. Minor differences in grammar and spelling are not enough to award this point. Unless the voter has difficulty reading one side's arguments, this point cannot be awarded. (2) The voter doesn't explain arguments.
Posted by POPOO5560 4 months ago
seculargiraffe* im argueing here Quran is not about violence... do u want which book is true? here the first debate
Posted by SecularGiraffe 4 months ago
A debate on which is more evil, what is the point?
How about we provide evidence that one of them is even true before we debate about which is better...
Posted by harrytruman 4 months ago
Insulting? I am referencing Qur'an verses, and you don't like them, the only reason you are not offending ME is because you are yet to provide any Qur'an verses that say rape=hell fire, Qur'an 2:223 says you can rape your wife, offer a good explanation or shut up.
Posted by DebaterGood 4 months ago
BTW @HarryTruman, rape is not accepted in the Qur'an, nor is it in the Torah. In the Qur'an, rape's punishment is torture in the eternal hell-fire. Please just stop BS'ing when you make arguments, no one is insulting your religion.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con insults pro repeatedly, refuses to capitalize or even spell "you" out, and makes numerous other intentional errors, as well as makes the entire debate a mockery and insult of the Jewish and Christian religions, AND forfeits. Forfeiture could make this a 7 point loss. This entire debate appeared to be a joke to pro while Con took this seriously.