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Quran vs Bible. Which is the True holy Book of God?

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Started: 9/3/2013 Category: Religion
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Nemat

Pro

I am arguing that the Quran is is every way better and more correct than the Bible. In terms of Historically accurate, Scientifically possible, and with no self-contradictions. the Quran has no errors while the bible has many. This is my view and my opponent must argue that the bible is not corrupt and that the Quran is. The first round is acceptance.
Thorwald

Con

When I corresponded with an Imam by email several years ago, he told me that Muhammad 'was in a trance' when he received his 'information' from God. According to the KJV Bible Old Testament (Numbers 12:6), a PROPHET must experience the following;

"If there be a prophet among you, I will make myself known unto him in a VISION, and speak unto him in a DREAM. The dream will be 'in riddles'," because God only spoke to Moses in clear language.

The Imam told me that the book of Numbers is not in the Qur'an. If you 'change the Word of God, you can make anything seem 'true'. Numbers 12:6 is the only proof to the person receiving the 'messages' from God, that these messages are in fact, 'from God', and not from Satan.

The muslim religion seems to include 'parts' of the Bible, making it 'appear to be true'. The denial of Christ as our 'saviour', has been eliminated. Christ has been reduced to the level of a 'prophet', BELOW Muhammad. The Muslim religion makes Muhammad 'the last and final prophet', thus DICTATING TO GOD, that GOD cannot now send any other prophet into the world. This is EVIL.
Debate Round No. 1
Nemat

Pro

Well now you are arguing that Muhammad Peace be upon him is not a prophet. Muhammed peace be upon him was born essentially an orphan cause his father was dead before he was born and his mother died when he was 6. Imagine you losing your mother at age 6. He was then raised by his grandfather but sadly he too died when Muhammad peace be upon him was only 8. He witnessed the death of two of the most important members of his family very early on. He was illiterate and he could nether read or write. He was chosen to prove to the world that God can chose anyone. God wanted to prove to us that the Quran is truly the word of God. How can an illiterate man make a 600 page book that sounds so poetic and amazing. You may argue that there were many Christians and Jews in Arabia at Muhammad's time and that they helped him. Though that makes no sense at all. Why would a Christian tell Muhammad peace be upon him that Jesus peace be upon him was not the son of God. Wouldn't the Christian try to convert him instead. Both Christians and Jews early on rejected Muhammad's message. It is foolish to say that they helped him in making it. The Quran is from God and it has in no way been altered from it's original arabic in the last 1400 years. God sent Gabriel the angel to send the messages from God to Muhammed peace be upon him. The proof he is the prophet is the Quran. No human can create a piece like the Quran. Quran does not contain parts of the bible. It contains the truth. If the Bible and Quran have similarities it must mean the Bible is half true. The Bible was true but people corrupted it and changed it. Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims respect all prophets in general, but Jesus peace be upon him in particular, because he was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad peace be upon him. Muslims, too, await the second coming of Jesus peace be upon him. They consider him one of the greatest of Allah's prophets to mankind. A Muslim does not refer to him simply as "Jesus," but normally adds the phrase "peace be upon him" as a sign of respect.

No other religion in the world respects and dignifies Jesus peace be upon him as Islam does. The Quran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Quran is entitled "Mary"), and Mary peace be upon her is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Quran describes Jesus' birth as follows:

"Behold!' the Angel said, God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: "My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: "Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be!' and it is." [3:42-47]

Muslims believe that Jesus peace be upon him was born immaculately, and through the same power which had brought Eve peace be upon her to life and Adam peace be upon him into being without a father or a mother.

"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was." [3:59]

During his prophetic mission, Jesus peace be upon him performed many miracles. The Quran tells us that he said:

"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by God's leave." [3:49]

Muhammad and Jesus peace be upon them , as well as the other prophets peace be upon them, were sent to confirm the belief in one God. This is referred to in the Quran where Jesus peace be upon himis reported as saying that he came:

"To attest the law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear God and obey me." [3:50]

Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him emphasized the importance of Jesus peace be upon him by saying: "Whoever believes there is no god but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His messenger, that Jesus is a servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven. [Bukhari]

Muhammad peace be upon him is the last prophet. Jesus peace be upon him will come near judgment day and he will convert everyone to Islam. Jesus peace be upon him will hopefully come and teach all the christians to stop seeing him as a son of God. Jesus peace be upon him is the messenger of God.
Thorwald

Con

Thorwald forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Nemat

Pro

"Bible" is NOT in the Bible

The Bible does not contain self-reference, that is, the word 'Bible' is not in the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible talk about itself. Some scriptures are sometimes pointed to in the Bible, say: Here where it talks about itself, but we have to look closely. 2nd Timothy 3:16 is the favorite which reads: "All scripture is inspired of God" and there are those who would say, here is where the Bible it talks about itself, it says it is inspired of God, all of it. But if you read the whole sentence, you read that this was a letter wrote by Paul to Timothy and the entire sentence says to Timothy: "Since you were a young man you have studied the holy scriptures, all scriptures inspired by God" and so on" When Timothy was a young man the New Testament did not exist, the only thing that stems he was talking about are scriptures " which are only a portion of the Bible - from before that time. It could not have meant the whole Bible.

Bible Curses Church Fathers Who REMOVED Book of Revelations

There is at the end of the Bible a verse which says:

"For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book (Revelations): if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, god shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[Y. Estes]

"Let anyone who takes away from this book or adds to this book be cursed". This too is sometimes pointed to me saying: Here is where it sums itself as a whole. But look again and you will see that when it says: Let no one change this book, it is talking about that last book, #66 (or is it #73 in the Catholic Bible?), the Book of Revelation. It has too, because any reference will tell you that the Book of Revelation was written before certain other parts of the Bible were written. It happens today to be stacked at the end, but there are other parts that came after, so it can not be referring to the entire book.

(Incidentally, according to different manuscripts much older than the King James Version, there are different words at the end of the Book of Revelation, so how would we resolve that matter? - Y.E.)

Note: The Book of Revelation was taken out of the Bible several times and then replaced and then taken out and replaced according to various Church Councils throughout Church history. Guess the Church Fathers didn't read the curse at the end of the book?

Whose Word Is It?

It is an extreme position held only by some Christian groups that the Bible " in its entirety - cover to cover is the revealed word of God in every word, but they do a clever thing when they mention this, or make this claim. They will say that the Bible in its entirety is the word of God; inerrant (no mistakes) in the original writings.

So if you go to the Bible and point out some mistakes that are in it you are going to be told: Those mistakes were not there in the original manuscript, they have crept in so that we see them there today.

They are going on problem in that position. There is a verse in the Bible Isaiah 40:8 which in fact is so well known that some Bibles printed it on the inside front cover as an introduction and it says : " The grass weathers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever". Here is a claim in the Bible that the word of God will stand forever, it will not be corrupted, it won't be lost. So if today you find a mistake in the Bible you have two choices. Either that promise was false that when God said my word wont fade away, he was mistaken, or the portion which has the mistake in it was not a part of the word of God in the first place, because the promise was that it would be safeguarded, it would not be corrupted.

Are There Mistakes?

I have suggested many times that there are mistakes in the Bible and the accusation comes back very quickly: Show me one. Well there are hundreds. If you want to be specific I can mention few. You have for example at 2nd Samuel 10:18 a description of a war fought by David saying that he killed 7000 men and that he also killed 40000 men on horsebacks. In 1st Chronicles 19 it mentions the same episode saying that he killed 70000 men and the 40000 men were not on horsebacks, they were on foot. The point is what is the difference between the pedestrian and not is very fundamental.

How Did Judas Die?

Matthew 27:5 says that Judas Iscariot when he died he hung himself. Acts 1 says that, no he jumped off a cliff head first. If you study Logic very soon you will come in your course to what they call an "undecidable propositions" or "meaningless sentences" or statements that can not be decided because there is no contextual false. One of the classic examples sited is something called the Effeminates paradox. This man was Cretan and he said "Cretans always lie", now was that statement true or false? If he was a Cretan and he says that they always lie is he lying? If he is not lying then he is telling the truth then the Cretans don"t always lie ! You see it can not be true and it can not be false, the statement turns back on itself. It is like saying "What I am telling you right now is a lie" would you believe that or not? You see the statement has no true content. It can not be true and it can not be false. If it is true it is always false. If it is false it is also true.

Well in the Bible at Titus 1:12 the writer is Paul and he is talking about the Cretans. He says that one of their own men " a prophet - said "Cretans always lie" and he says that what this man says is true. It is a small mistake, but the point is that it is a human mistake, you don"t find that if you carefully examine the true content of that statement. It can not be a true statement.

Who is the Author?

Now I come back to the Quran, and as I mentioned the speaker in the Quran is - in the first person - is God. The book claims throughout that it is the word of God. It names itself 70 times as the Quran. It talks about its own contents. It has self-reference. The Quran states in the first Surah after Fatiha that "This is the book, there is no doubt in it, it is a guidance for those who are conscious of God" and so on and so on" It begins that way and continues that way stressing that. And there is one very amazing statement in the Quran when you come to the fourth Surah 82nd Ayah which says to those who say Quran is something else than the word of God. It challenges them saying: "Have they not considered the Quran, if it came from someone other than God they will find in it many mistakes". Some of you are students, would you dare to hand in a paper after you completed a research work or something at the bottom you put down there "You won't find mistakes in this". Would you dare to challenge your professor that way? Well the Quran does that. It is telling: If you really think you know where this came from then starts looking for mistakes because you won't find any. Another interesting thing the Quran does is that it quotes all its critics. There has never - in hundreds of years - ever been some suggestion as to where that book came from but that the Quran does not already mention that objection and reply to it. Many times you will find the Ayah saying something like: Do they say such and such and so, say to them such and such and so. In every case there is a reply. More than that the Quran claims that the evidence of its origin is in itself, and that if you look at this book you will be convinced.

Difference of Authority

So the difference in Christianity and Islam comes down to a difference of authority and appeal to authority. The Christian wants to appeal to the Bible and the Muslim wants to appeal to the Quran. You can not stop by saying: This is true because me book say it is, and somebody else would say something else is true because my book says differently, you can not stop at that point, and the Quran does not. The Christians may point to some words that it is recorded Jesus said and say this proves my point. But the Muslim does not simply open his book and say: No, no the Quran says this, because the Quran does not simply deny something the Bible says and say something else instead. The Quran takes the form of a rebuttal, it is a guidance as the opening says (Huda lil mutakeen). So that for every suggestion that the Christian may say: My Bible say such and such, the Quran will not simply say: No that is not true, it will say: Do they say such and such then ask them such and such. You have for example the Ayah that compares Jesus and Adam. There are those who may say that Jesus must have been God (Son of God) because he had no father. He had a woman who was his mother, but there was no human father. It was God that gave him life, so he must have been God"s son. The Quran reminds the Christian in one short sentence to remember Adam - who was his father ? - and in fact, who was his mother ? He did not have a father either and in fact he did not have a mother, but what does that make him? So that the likeness of Adam is the likeness of Jesus, they were nothing and then they became something; that they worship God.

Quran Invites - Not Demands

So that the Quran does not demand belief - the Quran invites belief, and here is the fundamental difference. It is not simply delivered as: Here is what you are to believe, but throughout the Quran the statements are always: Have you O man thought of such and such, have you considered so and so. It is always an invitation for you to look at the evidence; now what do you believe?

Special Pleading of the Bible

The citation of the Bible very often takes the form of what is called in Argumentation: Special Pleading. Special Pleading is when implications are not consistent. When you take something and you say: Well that must mean this, but you don"t use the same argument to apply it to som
Thorwald

Con

When I corresponded with an Imam by email several years ago, he told me that Muhammad 'was in a trance' when he received his 'information' from God. According to the KJV Bible Old Testament (Numbers 12:6), a PROPHET must experience the following;

"If there be a prophet among you, I will make myself known unto him in a VISION, and speak unto him in a DREAM. The dream will be 'in riddles'," because God only spoke to Moses in clear language.

The Imam told me that the book of Numbers is not in the Qur'an. If you 'change the Word of God, you can make anything seem 'true'. Numbers 12:6 is the only proof to the person receiving the 'messages' from God, that these messages are in fact, 'from God', and not from Satan.

The muslim religion seems to include 'parts' of the Bible, making it 'appear to be true'. The denial of Christ as our 'saviour', has been eliminated. Christ has been reduced to the level of a 'prophet', BELOW Muhammad. The Muslim religion ma
Debate Round No. 3
Nemat

Pro

The Quran has been unchanged since the beginning. There are currently millions of muslims who fully memorised same exact qur'an down to the dots and crosses so to speak
These millions of people are spread in all corners of the world from as young as 7 yo child to 90 yo.

Had there been any alterations during 1,400 years, there would have been no way these millions of muslims read and memorised the same qur'an.

So, 5,000 manuscripts of the Bible, and no two of them agree, 42,000 manuscripts of the Qur'an and they are all basically the same. Subhaanallah, that is a part of the miracle of the Qur'an, that it's unchanged, the same, and fully preserved, whether written or recited.

Muslims have something that offers the clearest proof of all - The Holy Quran. There is no other book like it anywhere on earth. It is absolutely perfect in the Arabic language. It has no mistakes in grammar, meanings or context. The scientific evidences are well known around the entire world, even amongst non-Muslim scholars. Predictions in the Quran have come true; and its teachings are clearly for all people, all places and all times.

Surprisingly enough, the Quran itself provides us with the test of authenticity and offers challenges against itself to prove its veracity. Allah tells us in the Quran:

Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?
[Noble Quran 4:82]

Another amazing challenge from Allah's Book:

If you are in doubt about it, bring a chapter like it.
[Noble Quran 2:23]

And Allah challenges us with:

Bring ten chapters like it. [Noble Quran 11:13]

And finally:

Bring one chapter like it. [Noble Quran 10:38]

No one has been able to produce a book like it, nor ten chapters like it, nor even one chapter like it. It was memorized by thousands of people during the lifetime of Muhammad (peace be upon him) and then this memorization was passed down from teacher to student for generation after generation, from mouth to ear and from one nation to another. Today every single Muslim has memorized some part of the Quran in the original Arabic language that it was revealed in over 1,400 years ago, even though most of them are not Arabs. There are over nine million (9,000,000) Muslims living on the earth today who have totally memorized the entire Quran, word for word, and can recite the entire Quran, in Arabic just as Muhammad (peace be upon him) did 14 centuries ago.

All that we have seen in this work shows us one clear fact: The Qur'an, this extraordinary book which was revealed to the Seal of the Prophets, Muhammad (saas), is a source of inspiration and true knowledge. The book of Islam-no matter what subject it refers to-is being proved as Allah's Word as each new piece of historical, scientific or archaeological information comes to light. Facts about scientific subjects and the news delivered to us about the past and future, facts that no one could have known at the time of the Qur'an's revelation, are announced in its verses. It is impossible for this information, examples of which we have discussed in detail in this book, to have been known with the level of knowledge and technology available in 7th century Arabia. With this in mind, let us ask:

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that our atmosphere is made up of seven layers?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known in detail the various stages of development from which an embryo grows into a baby and then enters the world from inside his mother?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that the universe is "steadily expanding," as the Qur'an puts it, when modern scientists have only in recent decades put forward the idea of the "Big Bang"?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about the fact that each individual's fingertips are absolutely unique, when we have only discovered this fact recently, using modern technology and modern scientific equipment?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about the role of one of Pharaoh's most prominent aids, Haman, when the details of hieroglyphic translation were only discovered two centuries ago?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known that the word "Pharaoh" was only used from the 14th century B.C. and not before, as the Old Testament erroneously claims?

Could anyone in 7th century Arabia have known about Ubar and Iram's Pillars, which were only discovered in recent decades via the use of NASA satellite photographs?

The only answer to these questions is as follows: the Qur'an is the Word of the Almighty Allah, the Originator of everything and the One Who encompasses everything with His knowledge. In one verse, Allah says, "If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found many inconsistencies in it." (Qur'an, 4:82) Every piece of information the Qur'an contains reveals the secret miracles of this divine book.

The human being is meant to hold fast to this Divine Book revealed by Allah and to receive it with an open heart as his one and only guide in life. In the Qur'an, Allah tells us the following:

This Qur'an could never have been devised by any besides Allah. Rather it is confirmation of what came before it and an elucidation of the Book which contains no doubt from the Lord of all the worlds. Do they say, "He has invented it"? Say: "Then produce a sura like it and call on anyone you can besides Allah if you are telling the truth." (Qur'an, 10:37-38)

And this is a Book We have sent down and blessed, so follow it and have fear of Allah so that hopefully you will gain mercy. (Qur'an, 6:155)

he Holy Qur"an, is without any doubt the most positive book in the world, it is the most important and influential book known to mankind. The message from Allah, revealed to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) by Angel Gabriel, teachings of Allah"s final message remain as relevant today as they ever been.

It has been the source of Allah's wisdom for more than fourteen centuries for Muslims throughout the world. This message to humanity was sent down in Arabic, over a period spanning approximately 23 years, but since then it has been translated into many other languages. The Quran has not been expressed by using any human's words. Its wording is letter for letter fixed by Allah alone, and Allah has guaranteed that He will protect the Quran from any human tampering. Therefore The Qur'an of today is the same as the Qur'an revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and the exact copies of original Arabic text are available all over the world.

The Holy Qur"an"s fundamental message is the importance of focusing and shaping one"s life on Allah"s will only. Quran ordains deeds rather than words, and constantly emphasises to see beyond this earthly life.

Allah explains in The Holy Qur"an: This Book is a revelation from the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Its Verses are well-expounded, a Qur"an in Arabic for people of knowledge. It proclaims good news and warning, but most of them turn away, and pay no heed.
[The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 41:2-4]

The revelation of this Book (Qur"an) is beyond doubt from the Lord of the Universe. Do say they, "He (Muhammad) has invented it himself?" No, it is the truth from your Lord, so that you may warn people to whom no warner has come before you, in order that they may be rightly guided.
[The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 32:2-3]

A Book which we have revealed to you (Muhammad) so that you may lead the people from out of the darknesses into the light by their Lord's leave to the path of the All-Mighty, the Praiseworthy.
[The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 14:1]

We have taught him (Muhammad) no poetry, nor is it meet for him. This is only a Reminder and a plain Qur"an, to exhort the living, and that Word may be justified against the unbelievers.
[The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 36:69-70]

Qur"an means 'that which is recited'. The unique characteristic of Prophet Muhammad's life and mission was preaching by recitation of what was being revealed to him from God through the agency of Angel Gabriel.

And recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. No one can change His Words, and you shall find no refuge beside Him. [The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 18:27]

These revelations became an entire Book. Since the revelation of the Qur'an, reciting its verses amd surah is part of Muslim worship and daily prayers. Millions of people recite the Qur'an regularly which affirms literal meanings of the Book itself.

GOD'S CHALLENGE TO THE MANKIND

If you are in doubt as to what We have sent down (revealed) to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it, and call upon your witnesses (to assist you), apart from Allah, if you are truthful. But if you cannot - as you certainly never can do it - then guard against the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers.
[The Holy Qu'ran, Chapter 2:22-23]

1. Some historians claim that prophet Muhammad wrote the Quran by himself. Arguments against this claim are:
Prophet Muhammad was an illiterate man who had no formal education in any science, language, religious or secular.
Quran speaks about a variety of branches of science like: Astronomy, Embryology, Hydrology, Geology, Sociology, Psychology, Oceanography, Law etc. including lots of scientific statements that were validated only recently and were not known in the time of the prophet.
It was not known about prophet Muhammad any scholarly tendencies or achievements until the age of forty (when he received the first verses of Quran). So, how this illiterate man suddenly brings about a book like the Quran including an ideological and religious revolution that changed history?
Why prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), if he authored the Quran, honor the virgin Mary (May Allah be pleased with her), the mother of Jesus (peace be on him) as the best woman over all women on earth over all ages until day of judgment.
Thorwald

Con

Thorwald forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Nemat

Pro

Why prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), if he authored the Quran, honor the virgin Mary (May Allah be pleased with her), the mother of Jesus (peace be on him) as the best woman over all women on earth over all ages until day of judgment (an honor that even not offered by the bible) while not mentioning his own family members with a single word and even not mentioning any name of them.? If he had authored the Quran, why he didn't claim this authorship of Quran and consequently gaining higher prestige among his followers who may consider him as a God. Why he mentioned Quran verses that reprimand him (as that of chapter 33, verse 37 and chapter 80 verses 1-3) if he wrote Quran by himself?.
2. Some others claim that Prophet Muhammad copied the Quran from the Bible. Arguments against this claim are: No Arabic version of the Bible was available at the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him). The oldest Arabic version of the New Testament was published by Erpenius in 1616 AD (about one thousand years after Quran start of revelation) Quran included correct scientific information on some incidents that are scientifically incorrect in the bible (e.g. sun was created after the creation of earth Genesis 1:9-19 and vegetation was created before the Sun-Genesis 1:11-13, 14-19). had prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) copied the information from the Bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the Quran? In addition, Quran includes lots of other scientific statements, that currently proven as correct, and not mentioned in the Bible. How so many Jews and Christians, including many who were were scholars in their religion, converted to Islam if there was doubt that Prophet Muhammad was copying from their scriptures? If Quran has some preachings or tales that are similar to that in the Bible, then this is because all holy books came from a single source (God).
3. Some others claim that a person or group of persons taught Muhammad (peace be on him) on how to write the Quran. Arguments against this claim are: If this is true, then why not discovered a single teacher of them in the time of the prophet. Quran was revealed over 23 years and not at once. Is it logic that that someone or more taught prophet Muhammad over a period of without being known. Sometimes Quran revelations occurred in the presence of the people and they witnessed how the prophet receives the Quran revelation. Why the teacher, who taught Quran to the prophet, didn't claim it tand its credit to himself? Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) was surrounded by his companions all the time and every minute detail of his life was recorded. How could Muhammad (peace be on him) make frequent secret visits to that mysterious teacher or teachers for 23 years without being caught even once? How could so many Jews and Christians convert to Islam [some of them were scholars in their religion] if Muhammad (peace be on him) was learning from their priests or rabbis?
Despite the clear evidences above that Quran is God revelation to Prophet Muhammad and since the question asks about different opinions, the following answer offers some, but to the scientific sincerity, some of these opinions can be viewed as personal views or mistaken conclusions that are lacking proofs.
Thorwald

Con

Thorwald forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by devient.genie 1 year ago
devient.genie
Thorwald, the following statement could win a gold medal at the Wrong Answer Olympics: Mankind as we currently know it, has only existed on earth for about 10,000 +/- years.

Its plus alright, plus at least 90,000 yrs. The human genome project, getcha some!
Posted by devient.genie 1 year ago
devient.genie
Thorwald, save your ignorance, youre a religitard supporter :)

Just because science makes a few mistakes doesnt mean they are wrong about everything. Science never claims to know everything, only religion does.

Science is about discovering new truths, religion is about rehashing old lies :)

Buddies 9:17--The reason for zombie worms that have sex in whale bones, is a supernatural being that made an appearance in the middle east so we would know to obey no other god nor take his name in vain, or we get a spanking. That was nice to let us know that, because, thats what friends are for :)
Posted by Thorwald 1 year ago
Thorwald
This 'debate' has turned into a discussion of 'Christianity versus Islam versus evolution versus science versus...'.

Religion is based on FAITH. Science is based on OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS (what we can see & prove through experimentation, analysis, and so on).

The use of science is very important. However, it is very restricted in many ways. We try to explain things, but more often than not, we lack ALL of the required 'data', so we 'fill in the blanks' using 'suppositions'. This often 'backfires'. We see this time and again, with 'bad medicines'. When we try to create something without knowledge of ALL possible 'inputs', we 'play God', with disastrous consequences.

We only 'guess' the truth behind dinosaurs, by trying to 'equate' them to what we know about the currently living animals. There is no real proof of 'evolution' present between the dinosaur era and current day life on earth. Some 'animals' present on earth today, were also present in the age of the dinosaurs. Neanderthals disappeared about 25,000 years ago. Mankind as we currently know it, has only existed on earth for about 10,000 +/- years. There is NO connection present between these two.

Judaism & Christianity is our only real documented history of current day mankind. These two religions were also followed by muslims, until Muhammad 'came on the scene'.
Posted by devient.genie 1 year ago
devient.genie
Go cry in the corner youre not a science teacher, youre an insult to science and a disgrace to human intellect.

Who proved Darwinian evolution wrong you uneducated fake say bye bye a thousand times virgin loving sky daddy believing religitard?
Posted by makhdoom5 1 year ago
makhdoom5
i am not going to reply any more.
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Posted by makhdoom5 1 year ago
makhdoom5
why u run away from debate coz that time u can come up with facts.
only waist time of peoples.
see only open mind peoples can do it.
just open ur mind and listen to peoples ok.
other take it off and put in some cupboard or coffin.
whatever u like.
Posted by makhdoom5 1 year ago
makhdoom5
only shiiit evidence u have which is fossil.
for them to prove they are so old u need carbon dating which is shiiit method to know about the history of and sample.
other wise those apes were shiiit peoples who were hunting at Saturday and ALLAH changed them into monkey .
and all samples found near the lakes.
they were turned into apes when they were hunting.
and died near the lakes.
the radiation from c12 could be fast ask in few thousands year it can look like millions of years.
so far carbon dating technique has bee proven not good on woods.
which is chemistry topic.
ok.
just put ur head in toilet and flush.
and make it calm.
Posted by makhdoom5 1 year ago
makhdoom5
hahahahahahah.
u said facts.
are u kidding with me.
man told u update ur knowledge and dont make me angry.
u know shiiit.
only shiiit.
ok
go up grade ur knowledge than come to have debate with me.
to not known about ur shiiit thoeires u start saying we are disgrace to humanity.
in reality u are disgrace to humanity.
do u know what grace means.
a graceful person only know.
u spit shiiit out from ur mouth yet call me disgrace.
i tolarated much with u.
u dont know me han u indeed dont know me.
i have seen many shiiit like u.
monkey blessed peoples gonna teach us what is grace.
Posted by devient.genie 1 year ago
devient.genie
Micro to macro? You dont even know what you are talking about. There is no debate religitard virgin lover, evolution is full of facts and evidecne .

We have taken Darwinian evolution and expanded on it, we know more than Darwin.

YOure Not a science teacher, your a religitard liar, you are a insult to human intelligence.

You cant even speak english so go debate yourself idiot
Posted by makhdoom5 1 year ago
makhdoom5
see brothers.
just remain in touch through debates.
i dont personally like debating in comments.
if u want debate to tell me i am here for that.
but this is not fruitful.
1 votes has been placed for this debate.
Vote Placed by Stonewall 1 year ago
Stonewall
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Reasons for voting decision: Dem comments. Anyways, I'm not sorting through them all to see if Con made a better argument. Nemat gets my vote, especially for continuing to make points despite Con's lack of effort.